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Effect of carbohydrate-protein supplement timing on acute exercise-induced muscle damage

James P White, Jacob M Wilson, Krista G Austin, Beau K Greer, Noah St John, Lynn B Panton

1 Department of Exercise Science, University of South Carolina Columbia, SC 29101, USA
2 Department of Nutrition, Food and Exercise Sciences, Florida State University, Tallahassee, FL 32306, USA

Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition 2008, 5:5doi:10.1186/1550-2783-5-5


Abstract

Purpose
To determine if timing of a supplement would have an effect on muscle damage, function and soreness.

Methods
Twenty-seven untrained men (21 ± 3 yrs) were given a supplement before or after exercise. Subjects were randomly assigned to a pre exercise (n = 9), received carbohydrate/protein drink before exercise and placebo after, a post exercise (n = 9), received placebo before exercise and carbohydrate/protein drink after, or a control group (n = 9), received placebo before and after exercise. Subjects performed 50 eccentric quadriceps contractions on an isokinetic dynamometer. Tests for creatine kinase (CK), maximal voluntary contraction (MVC) and muscle soreness were recorded before exercise and at six, 24, 48, 72, and 96 h post exercise. Repeated measures ANOVA were used to analyze data.

Results
There were no group by time interactions however, CK significantly increased for all groups when compared to pre exercise (101 ± 43 U/L) reaching a peak at 48 h (661 ± 1178 U/L). MVC was significantly reduced at 24 h by 31.4 ± 14.0%. Muscle soreness was also significantly increased from pre exercise peaking at 48 h.

Conclusion
Eccentric exercise caused significant muscle damage, loss of strength, and soreness; however timing of ingestion of carbohydrate/protein supplement had no effect.

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sprawdź. musisz jednak liczyć się z tym, że waląc węgle w porze, kiedy na diecie masowej zachodzi jeszcze jakieś większe zintensyfikowani emetabolizmu możesz zyskać z masą także więcej fatu.

nie jestem zwolennikiem wegli w czasie treningu kulturystycznego, nawet na masie. nie wiemy jak na skłąd ciała/odpowiedź naaboliczną/przyrosty mięcha wpływa to w dłuższej perspektywie czasu. "impuls kataboliczny" jest jednak jednym z czynników uważanych obecnie za kluczowe dla wzrostu formy.
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Badano wpływ podania mieszaniny białka i węglowodanów(odpowiednio 23g białka, 75g węglowodanów) na mikro urazy, funkcjonalność i ból mięśni po wysiłku u niewytrenowanych osób . Utworzono trzy grupy – pierwsza z grup przyjmowała shake przed treningiem, po treningu placebo, druga grupa przyjmowała shake po treningu, przed placebo, trzecia grupa przyjmowała placebo zarówno przed jak i po wysiłku.
Pomiędzy grupami nie odnotowano różnicy w spadku siły, mikro urazach i bolesności mięśni.



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Więc z tego punktu widzenia nie jest ważne co się je po treningu?

Życie jest za krótkie aby brać ciągle te same suplementy :)

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O ile dobrze widzę to patrząc pod kątem mikrourazów, bólu mięśniowego i spadku siły posiłki okołotreningowe nie mają znaczenia. O ile wcale nie dziwi mnie brak różnicy w bólu i mikrouszkodzeniach to zastanawia mnie dlaczego nie ma jej w sile?

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To w takim razie mam pytanie ?
Skoro nie odnotowano różnicy u grupy stricte placebo tzn że śmiało możemy jeść posiłek po treningowy nawet 1-1,5h po treningu nie odnotowując żadnych strat ?
I czy ten czas może być dłuższy ?
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Feyo, jak widać w badaniach, jest tu poruszana kwestia mikrouszkodzeń, bólu i spadku siły spowodowanych samym treningiem. Nadkompensacja glikogenu to oddzielna sprawa.

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dwa badania odnosnie 'pory' :

Timing of amino acid-carbohydrate ingestion alters anabolic response of muscle to resistance exercise


The present study was designed to determine whether consumption of an oral essential amino acid-carbohydrate supplement (EAC) before exercise results in a greater anabolic response than supplementation after resistance exercise. Six healthy human subjects participated in two trials in random order, PRE (EAC consumed immediately before exercise), and POST (EAC consumed immediately after exercise). A primed, continuous infusion ofl-[ring-2H5]phenylalanine, femoral arteriovenous catheterization, and muscle biopsies from the vastus lateralis were used to determine phenylalanine concentrations, enrichments, and net uptake across the leg. Blood and muscle phenylalanine concentrations were increased by &#8764;130% after drink consumption in both trials. Amino acid delivery to the leg was increased during exercise and remained elevated for the 2 h after exercise in both trials. Delivery of amino acids (amino acid concentration times blood flow) was significantly greater in PRE than in POST during the exercise bout and in the 1st h after exercise (P < 0.05). Total net phenylalanine uptake across the leg was greater (P = 0.0002) during PRE (209 &#177; 42 mg) than during POST (81 &#177; 19). Phenylalanine disappearance rate, an indicator of muscle protein synthesis from blood amino acids, increased after EAC consumption in both trials. These results indicate that the response of net muscle protein synthesis to consumption of an EAC solution immediately before resistance exercise is greater than that when the solution is consumed after exercise, primarily because of an increase in muscle protein synthesis as a result of increased delivery of amino acids to the leg.


http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/2/E197.abstract

moral z tego badania taki
ze skoro shake pre workout jest lepszy niz shake post workout
(badanie dwoch opcji:
-tylko przed
lub
-tylko po)
ale jak ponizej zostanie udowodnione ze kombo - wegle+bialko+leucyna pozytywnie wplywa na zahamowanie katabolizmu,nasilenie anabolizmu,uzupelenienie zasobow glikogenu - optymalnym wyjsciem i zalecanym przez wielu trenerow
jest polaczenie suplementacji 'pre' i 'post'
Czyli:
-shake przed wedlug tego badanie lepiej wplywa na synteze bialka
-shake po (zawierajacy mix bialka,wegli/ +leucyny) przyspiesza regeneracje powysilkowa
najwiecej korzysci osiagnie sie stosujac shake przed + shake po.


Postexercise nutrient intake timing in humans is critical to recovery of leg glucose and protein homeostasis.

Although the importance of postexercise nutrient ingestion timing has been investigated for glycogen metabolism, little is known about similar effects for protein dynamics. Each subject (n = 10) was studied twice, with the same oral supplement (10 g protein, 8 g carbohydrate, 3 g fat) being administered either immediately (EARLY) or 3 h (LATE) after 60 min of moderate-intensity exercise. Leg blood flow and circulating concentrations of glucose, amino acids, and insulin were similar for EARLY and LATE. Leg glucose uptake and whole body glucose utilization (D-[6,6-2H(2)]glucose) were stimulated threefold and 44%, respectively, for EARLY vs. LATE. Although essential and nonessential amino acids were taken up by the leg in EARLY, they were released in LATE. Although proteolysis was unaffected, leg (L-[ring-2H(5)]phenylalanine) and whole body (L-[1-13C]leucine) protein synthesis were elevated threefold and 12%, respectively, for EARLY vs. LATE, resulting in a net gain of leg and whole body protein. Therefore, similar to carbohydrate homeostasis, EARLY postexercise ingestion of a nutrient supplement enhances accretion of whole body and leg protein, suggesting a common mechanism of exercise-induced insulin action.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11350780

korzystniej jest wypic shake zaraz po treningu niz 3h po skonczonym treningu.
lepsze uzupelnienie glikogenu,wiekszy anabolizm


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kilka badan odnosnie najlepszego mixu post workout:

Effects of liquid carbohydrate/essential amino acid ingestion on acute hormonal response during a single bout of resistance exercise in untrained men.

OBJECTIVE: The primary objective of this study was to investigate the influence of nutritive interventions on acute hormonal responses to a single bout of resistance exercise in untrained young men. Specifically, the aim was to determine whether the acute hormonal milieu conducive to enhancing skeletal muscle hypertrophic adaptation to resistance training could be created. The potential role of cortisol in inhibiting training-induced muscle growth is of particular interest, as is whether exercise-induced cortisol release can be attenuated by nutritive interventions.

METHODS: After a 4-h fast, 32 subjects performed a single bout of resistance exercise ( approximately 60 min), during which they consumed a 6% carbohydrate (CHO) solution, a 6-g essential amino acid (EAA) mixture, a combined CHO+EAA supplement, or a placebo beverage. Blood samples were collected every 15 min throughout the exercise bout, immediately after exercise, and 15 and 30 min after exercise for analysis of total testosterone, cortisol, growth hormone, insulin, and glucose.

RESULTS: No significant change in glucose or insulin was observed for placebo. CHO and CHO+EAA ingestion resulted in significantly (P < 0.001) increased glucose and insulin concentrations above baseline, whereas EAA resulted in significant postexercise increases (P < 0.05) in insulin only. Placebo exhibited a significant increase in cortisol within 30 min (P < 0.01), with a peak increase of 105% (P < 0.001) immediately after exercise, and cortisol remained 54% above baseline at 30 min after exercise (P < 0.05). Conversely, the treatment groups displayed no significant change in cortisol during the exercise bout, with CHO and CHO+EAA finishing 27% (P < 0.01) and 23% (P < 0.05), respectively, below baseline at 30 min after exercise. No between-group differences in exercise-induced growth hormone or testosterone concentrations after nutritive intervention were present.

CONCLUSION: These data indicate that CHO and/or EAA ingestion during a single bout of resistance exercise suppresses the exercise-induced cortisol response, in addition to stimulating insulin release. We conclude that the exercise-induced hormonal profile can be influenced by nutritive interventions toward a profile more favorable for anabolism.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16472979

kombo weglowodany + dodatek eaa - w porownaniu do grupy placebo - odznaczylo sie znacznie wiekszym poziomem cukru jak i wiekszym poziomem insuliny,obnizaja poziom kortyzolu



Combined ingestion of protein and free leucine with carbohydrate increases postexercise muscle protein synthesis in vivo in male subjects.

The present study was designed to determine postexercise muscle protein synthesis and whole body protein balance following the combined ingestion of carbohydrate with or without protein and/or free leucine. Eight male subjects were randomly assigned to three trials in which they consumed drinks containing either carbohydrate (CHO), carbohydrate and protein (CHO+PRO), or carbohydrate, protein, and free leucine (CHO+PRO+Leu) following 45 min of resistance exercise. A primed, continuous infusion of L-[ring-13C6]phenylalanine was applied, with blood samples and muscle biopsies collected to assess fractional synthetic rate (FSR) in the vastus lateralis muscle as well as whole body protein turnover during 6 h of postexercise recovery. Plasma insulin response was higher in the CHO+PRO+Leu compared with the CHO and CHO+PRO trials (+240 +/- 19% and +77 +/- 11%, respectively, P < 0.05). Whole body protein breakdown rates were lower, and whole body protein synthesis rates were higher, in the CHO+PRO and CHO+PRO+Leu trials compared with the CHO trial (P < 0.05). Addition of leucine in the CHO+PRO+Leu trial resulted in a lower protein oxidation rate compared with the CHO+PRO trial. Protein balance was negative during recovery in the CHO trial but positive in the CHO+PRO and CHO+PRO+Leu trials. In the CHO+PRO+Leu trial, whole body net protein balance was significantly greater compared with values observed in the CHO+PRO and CHO trials (P < 0.05). Mixed muscle FSR, measured over a 6-h period of postexercise recovery, was significantly greater in the CHO+PRO+Leu trial compared with the CHO trial (0.095 +/- 0.006 vs. 0.061 +/- 0.008%/h, respectively, P < 0.05), with intermediate values observed in the CHO+PRO trial (0.0820 +/- 0.0104%/h). We conclude that coingestion of protein and leucine stimulates muscle protein synthesis and optimizes whole body protein balance compared with the intake of carbohydrate only.

kombo weglowodany+bilako+leucyna - znacznie lepiej wplywa na anabolizm (synsteze bialka),jak rowniez ogolny bilans azotowy - w porownaniu do przyjmowania samegego napoju weglowodanowego

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15562251



The effect of a carbohydrate and protein supplement on resistance exercise performance, hormonal response, and muscle damage.

The purpose of this study was to determine whether resistance exercise performance and postexercise muscle damage were altered when consuming a carbohydrate and protein beverage (CHO-PRO; 6.2% and 1.5% concentrations). Thirty-four male subjects (age: 21.5 +/- 1.7 years; height: 177.3 +/- 1.1 cm; weight: 77.2 +/- 2.2 kg) completed 3 sets of 8 repetitions at their 8 repetition maximum to volitional fatigue. The exercise order consisted of the high pull, leg curl, standing overhead press, leg extension, lat pull-down, leg press, and bench press. In a double-blind, posttest-only control group design, subjects consumed 355 ml of either CHO-PRO or placebo (electrolyte and artificial sweetener beverage) 30 minutes prior to exercise, 177 ml immediately prior to exercise, 177 ml halfway through the exercise bout, and 355 ml immediately following the exercise bout. There were no significant differences between groups relative to exercise performance. Cortisol was significantly elevated in the placebo group compared to the CHO-PRO group at 24 hours postexercise. Insulin was significantly elevated immediately pre-exercise, after the fourth lift, immediately postexercise, 1 hour, and 6 hours postexercise in CHO-PRO compared to the placebo group. Myoglobin levels in the placebo group approached significance halfway through the exercise bout and at 1 hour postexercise (p = 0.06 and 0.07, respectively) and were significantly elevated at 6 hours postexercise compared to the CHO-PRO group. Creatine kinase levels were significantly elevated in the placebo group at 24 hours postexercise compared to the CHO-PRO group. The CHO-PRO supplement did not improve performance during a resistance exercise bout, but appeared to reduce muscle damage, as evidenced by the responses of both myoglobin and creatine kinase. These results suggest the use of a CHO-PRO supplement during resistance training to reduce muscle damage and soreness.

Jesli chodzi o 'wykonanie' treningu - nie zauwazono roznicy pomiedzy grupa spozywajaca napoj weglowodanowy a grupa spozywajaca napoj weglowodanowo-bialkowy,
natomisat zanotowana znaczna roznice na korzysc grupy wegle+bialko - jesli chodzi o regeneracje powysilkowa (zredukowany bol miesni i mniejsze urazy)



Maximizing postexercise muscle glycogen synthesis: carbohydrate supplementation and the application of amino acid or protein hydrolysate mixtures.

BACKGROUND: Postexercise muscle glycogen synthesis is an important factor in determining the time needed to recover from prolonged exercise.

OBJECTIVE: This study investigated whether an increase in carbohydrate intake, ingestion of a mixture of protein hydrolysate and amino acids in combination with carbohydrate, or both results in higher postexercise muscle glycogen synthesis rates than does ingestion of 0.8 g*kg(-)(1)*h(-)(1) carbohydrate, provided at 30-min intervals.

DESIGN: Eight trained cyclists visited the laboratory 3 times, during which a control beverage and 2 other beverages were tested. After the subjects participated in a strict glycogen-depletion protocol, muscle biopsy samples were collected. The subjects received a beverage every 30 min to ensure ingestion of 0.8 g carbohydrate*kg(-)(1)*h(-)(1) (Carb trial), 0.8 g carbohydrate*kg(-)(1)*h(-)(1) plus 0.4 g wheat protein hydrolysate plus free leucine and phenylalanine*kg(-)(1)*h(-)(1) (proven to be highly insulinotropic; Carb + Pro trial), or 1.2 g carbohydrate*kg(-)(1)*h(-)(1) (Carb + Carb trial). After 5 h, a second biopsy was taken.

RESULTS: Plasma insulin responses in the Carb + Pro and Carb + Carb trials were higher than those in the Carb trial (88 +/- 17% and 46 +/- 18%; P < 0.05). Muscle glycogen synthesis was higher in both trials than in the Carb trial (35. 4 +/- 5.1 and 44.8 +/- 6.8 compared with 16.6 +/- 7.8 micromol glycosol units*g dry wt(-)(1)*h(-)(1), respectively; P < 0.05).

CONCLUSIONS: Addition of a mixture of protein hydrolysate and amino acids to a carbohydrate-containing solution (at an intake of 0.8 g carbohydrate*kg(-)(1)*h(-)(1)) can stimulate glycogen synthesis. However, glycogen synthesis can also be accelerated by increasing carbohydrate intake (0.4 g*kg(-)(1)*h(-)(1)) when supplements are provided at 30-min intervals.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10871568

badano 3 grupy
wegle (0,8g/kgmc)
wegle + wegle (0,8+0,4)
wegle + bialko (0,8+0,4)

wynik:
synteze glikogenu mozna polepszyc spozywajac shake weglowodanowo-bialkowy,
i lepszym rezultatem okazuje sie spozycie wiekszej ilosci wegli (dwa shake'i weglowodanowe) w porownaniu do 1 shake'a weglowodanowego

Zmieniony przez - solaros w dniu 2011-02-01 03:02:39

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Nie jestem pewien na 100% ale wydaje mi się że widziałem tutaj badanie które udowadniało, że spożywanie shaków białkowo ww po treningu nie miało wpływu na mase mięśniową w porównaniu z placebo.

Różnica była dopiero jak dodało się kreatyne do shake'a.

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hehehe

tu chyba nie

jest 'badania' konia ktore mowi ze pora nie ma znaczenia

pewnie gdzies widziales to badania ale pewnie kolejne przeinaczone badanie pokazuajce wplyw przyjmowania wegli,wegli + bialka,wegli+bialka z kreatyna

wszystkie beda mialy/powinny miec wplyw w porownaniu z grupa placebo (wegle najmnije ale mniejszy katabolizm=wiecej masy miesniowej wiec tez prawda)
ale pewnie wniosek by taki ze wszystkie grupy byly lepsze w porownaniu do placebo ale grupa przyjmujaca dodatkowo kreatyne byla delikatnie na 'przedzie'
co tez 'inteligetni' producenci sa w stanie wykorzystac i zaprezentowac ze jedynie dodanie kreatyny do bialka i wegli ma sens
co nie jest prawda
raczej moze dzialac synergistycznie - ale zarowno wegle,wegle i bialko,czy wegle + bialko+leucyna ma wiekszy i szybszy wplyw na katabolizm i ananbolizm niz grupa 0 (placebo)
po ok.48h poziomy sie wyrownaja w koncu (pozytywny bilans azotowy) we wszystkich grupach ale chyba nie o to chodzi

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Ok, czyli coś źle zapamiętałem pewnie.

Ja osobiście odczuwam jedzenie shake bezposrednio po treningu.

Zazwyczaj pije gainera po prostu bo mi się nie chce rozdrabniać osobno na carbo i białko.

Shake przed treningowy powinien mieć podobne proporcje co po treningowy ?

Zmieniony przez - Yarekbboy w dniu 2011-03-02 14:52:22

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