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Zmieniony przez - solaros w dniu 2010-09-10 17:49:26

Boostery testosteronu:

Kolejny po DAA
https://www.sfd.pl/Hardkorowy__NIE_HORMONALNY__zestaw_suplementów!-t638787-s7.html#post2

2)
Avena Sativa

Avena Sativa – w Polsce znana pod nazwą Owies Zwyczajny.
Gatunek zbóż należący do rodziny wiechlinowatych. Uprawiany jest powszechnie w strefie umiarkowanej Eurazji oraz Ameryki Północnej. Został udomowiony przez człowieka w czasach historycznych.
Ziele oraz ziarniaki owsa wykazują zróżnicowany skład chemiczny, zawierają: saponozydy steroidowe (awenakozydy A i B – pochodne epoksyfurostendiolu), flawony (pochodne apigeniny i luteoliny), oligo- i polisacharydy, sterole (b-sitosterol, awenasterol), substancje białkowe, peptydy (a-awenotionina, b-awenotionina), witaminy (B1, B2, B12, A, E, K, PP), aminokwasy, krzem (55-70%) i krzemionkę (2%) oraz związki mineralne (Fe, Mn, Zn) (23).
W medycynie ludowej ziele owsa stosowane jest jako środek uspokajający w wyczerpaniu nerwowym oraz bezsenności, a napary ze świeżego ziela owsa mogą być skuteczne w ułatwieniu rzucenia palenia papierosów. Brakuje jednak naukowych badań potwierdzających, które składniki czynne odpowiadają za to działanie.
Przetwory z owsa pozytywnie wpływają też na funkcje seksualne, stymulując uwalnianie testosteronu, który pobudza centra erotyczne zlokalizowane w mózgu.

Pomaga ograniczyć aktywność SHGB, globuliny wiążącej testosteron, a tym samym znacznie wpływa na zwiększenie jego aktywności i oddziaływania na nasz organizm.






Jeden z wielkich amerykańskich homeopatów początku XX wieku, William Boericke, pisał w swojej Materia medica homoeopathica:

“Wyczerpanie nerwowe, seksualne osłabienie ..., wymagają tego środka (Avena sativa) w całkiem materialnych dawkach ... Impotencja; po przesadnym spółkowaniu seksualnym”.

“W całkiem materialnych dawkach” – Boericke miał tu na myśli, że Avena sativa nie pomoże w stężeniach homeo-patycznych lecz musi być podawana w dawkach z zakresu miligramów.


Badania 1:

LIBIDO & AFRODYZJAK
libido - (pragnienie seksualne)

A)

W podwójnie ślepym studium najpierw pierwsza grupa (mężczyźni i kobiety) otrzymywała 300 mg Avena sativa dziennie przez okres 28 dni, grupie 2 podawano natomiast placebo. Potem członkowie drugiej grupy otrzymali Avena sativa a pierwszej – placebo. Tylko męż-czyźni, nie kobiety, wykazali znaczne wzmożenie popędu płciowego na skutek Avena sa-tiva. Donosili o wzmożonej sile erekcji i spotęgowanej rozkoszy przy stosunku. Niektórzy z nich mieli nawet wielokrotne orgazmy.

Później odkryto, że kobiety potrzebują – co wynika ze znacznie większej gęstości receptorów testosteronu w mózgu (!) –znacznie silniejszych dawek Avena sativa, aby odczuć ten sam efekt stymulacyjny co mężczyźni. Zmieniono więc formułe, podano im silniejszy ekstrakt i wtedy również odczuły pobudzające działanie preparatu.

Trzeba tu jedno wyjaśnić: testy profilu hormonalnego wykazały, że Avena sativa podwyższa poziom wolnego, niezwiązanego testosteronu we krwi. Testosteron ma olbrzymie znaczenie nie tylko dla “męskiej siły” lecz także dla kobiecego libido. Nowocześni lekarze Anti-Aging mierzą więc poziom testosteronu również u kobiet i podwyższają go w razie potrzeby za pomocą DHEA.

Znane nam badania wykazują, że Avena sativa jest skuteczna u 68-70% mężczyzn i u 76% kobiet.

http://natura.leczy.w.interia.pl/Produkty/Informacje2/Avena_sativa/avena_sativa.html


B)

A 1986 study with volunteers who expressed interest in improving their sexual response showed men experienced a 22% increase in genital sensation and women a 15% increase. Men experienced a 36% increase in frequency of orgasm and women a 29% increase.

Avena sativa has been found to help access testosterone, which becomes increasingly bound to various compounds in the body with advancing age.

Most positive effects of testosterone, including sex drive, are attributed to free testosterone, while bound testosterone is linked to enlarged prostates.

How avena sativa assists with testosterone is unclear, but it is thought that it occurs through an increase in Luteinizing Hormone levels, (LH) just like Tribulus Terrestris. Avena Sativa seems to work in a beneficial synergy with Tribulus Terrestris.

http://www.herbalignite.com/Australia/Articles/Avena Sativa.html


C)

For example, one double-blind, placebo-controlled trial of 75 men and women reportedly found that use of an oat straw product enhanced sexual experience for men, but not for women. 1 Unfortunately, it is not clear whether the results were statistically significant or exactly how the researchers arrived at their conclusions. Another study discussed on the same web page supposedly found that oat straw combined with saw palmetto produced similar benefits for women, but it is not clear whether this trial was double-blind.

http://www.med.nyu.edu/patientcare/library/article.html?ChunkIID=111709

D)

Nine men and 10 women completed the study. Both men and women reported enhanced sexual desire, performance, and sensation while taking Avena Sativa. Men and women were 14 % more aware of the sexual potential of daily events and of triggered sexual thou ghts. Men extended these thoughts to sexual-fantasies much more often than woman (men 24%, woman 4%). Men and women both experianced increased genital sensation accompanying sexual thougts (men 22%, women 15%).

Although the men who completed the study reported only a 5% increase in sexual fantasies leading to erections, they experienced 25% increase in acts leading to some form of sexual gratification. When fantasy, sensation, and opportunity were sufficient to lead to sexual activity, masturbation increased 20% and sexual intercourse increased 33% in the male subjects.

The women who completed the study reported a 21% increase in lubrication in response to sexual thoughts and fantasies, which resulted in a 19% increase in some form of sexual satisfaction. Their frequency of sexual-activity was increased as follows: mast urbation 19% , mutual masturbation 33%, sexual intercourse 30%, and oral/genital sex 54%.

Men experienced a 36 % increase, and women a 29% increase, in frequency of orgasms, while women experienced a dramatic 68% increase in multiple orgasms. A few men reported multiple orgasms while taking Avena Sativa. while none reported it when not taking Avena Sativa.

http://www.shairwest.com/html/vigorexclinicalinfo.html

E)

The positive results reported in this initialstudy persuaded the scientists at The Institute to conduct a crossover double blind study of Avena Sativa in subjects who were not suffering from any type of sexual dysfuntion. Instead, the study population was drawn from a broad spectrum of men and who expressed interest in sexual enhancement.

One hundred twenty subjects selected from a pool of volunteers were divided into two groups of similar characteristics and were asked to complete a health-diet drug history. They were then directed to take one 300 mg capsule of Avena Sativa or placebo e very morning. At the end of each day, they were told to complete a Daily Record Sexual Questionnaire. Group 1 received Avena Sativa extract for 28 days and then crossed over to a placebo for another 28 days. Group 2 was on the opposite schedule.

A total of 75 subjects completed phase 1 of the study(the first 28 days) including 38 men and 37 women. Of these, 28 men and 28 women completed phase 2 of the study. Most of the men in the study experienced improved sex drive, greater firmness of erectio ns, which, in most cases, were realized very quickly, and greater pleasure during sex when taking Avena Sativa than on placebo. There was no significant improvement in any of these measures of sexuality among the women in the study.

http://www.shairwest.com/html/vigorexclinicalinfo.html

F)

The next study at The Institute involved 30 men, 55-to- 72 years of age, who were suffering from sexual impotence. These men generally lacked sexual desire and were unable to achieve an erection or had difficulty in maintaining an erection.

The study subjects filled out a questionnaire that evaluate the number of sexual partners they had , their libido, and their erectile ability for various types of sexual activity. They were then treated with 300 mg of Avena Sativa for 30 days. Those wh o failed to respond were given 600mg of Avena Sativa for another 30 days.

Ten of the men showed complete response, and nine showed partial response to treatment with Avena Sativa, with erection ability and sexual activity returning to preimpotency livels in all responders. Seven of the nonresponders noticed an increase in se xual intrest and desire and some erectile activity. The frequency of usable erections increased from 0 to 50% in men receiving a single dose of Avena Sativa and 65% in men taking double doses of Avena Sativa.

http://www.shairwest.com/html/vigorexclinicalinfo.html


G)

Avena sativa is quickly becoming a popular natural alternative to pharmaceutical erection enhancers without the dangerous side effects. Avena sativa is used to stimulate both men and women quickly and effectively. In men it appears to be effective for treating impotence and premature ejaculation. It also contains compounds which are soothing to the brain and nervous system. Avena helps in heightening thoughts and pleasure associated with sex.

One of the first crossover double-blind studies performed involved 75 men who had taken Avena sativa. It showed a significant support for sex drive. The men in the study reported more consistent erections and pleasure during the act of sex. In a prior pilot study, many men reported more orgasms with some even experiencing multiple orgasms.

http://www.andro.co.za/ingredients.html



Badania2:

LH & TESTOSTERON


LH ->(hormon luteizujący) to hormon, który pomaga bezpośrednio w produkowaniu testosteronu. Zwiększony poziom LH przenosi się na
zwiększoną ilość testosteronu krążącą we krwi.Zwiększony poziom testosteronu wywołany przez LH może dotrzeć
do receptorów i bezpośrednio zwiększać anabolizm.


A)

Endocrine studies were conducted by the The Insitute's researchers in three men and three women selected from the double blind crossover study. These subjects were tested for various hormone levels prior to the study, after the first phase of the study was completed, and at the end of the study.

The three women subjects, and one of the men, showed no significant edocrine changes while taking Avena Sativa, but the two remaing men, who started with lower-than-normal testosterone levels, responded in dramatic fashion. The total testosterone lev el was doubled in one of the men and was more than doubled in the other. Moreover, there was an increase in free testosterone levels of 50% and 185% respectively after only one month on the product!

One of the men reported that, while taking Avena Sativa, his sexual intercourse frequency increased from once or twice a month to six times a month. The other man, who was in his early 60s, said he had been unable to achieve an erection for more than s ix years, but that , once he started taking Avena Sativa , his ability to have firm erections returned, and his sexual activity increased from zero for six to seven years to one-to-three times weekly. On one occasion, he said he was able to ejaculate su ccessfully twice in one evening for the first time in decades.

http://www.shairwest.com/html/vigorexclinicalinfo.html

B)

Attempts were made to purify the LH-releasing substance extracted from the leaves of Avena sativa by means of two-step chromatographic procedures using a weakly acidic ion-exchange resin (CC-50, type II) and DEAE-Sephadex A-25 (coarse) with successful results. For preliminary fractionation of such starting materials as dried leaves, fresh leaves, and acetone-extracted powder (crude extracts), 5% acetate-buffered active carbon proved to be more effective than starch zone electrophoresis. From its behavior on chromatography with weakly acidic ion-exchange resins as well as Sephadex gel filtration, the active fraction extracted from the leaves of Avena saliva was assumed to be different from the LH-RH present in the hypothalamus. This partially purified material, however, was demonstrated to have an LH-releasing activity by the ovarian ascorbic acid depletion method using Wistar-Imamichi strain rats. Evidence was presented that its site of action is in the adenohypophysis.

http://www.journalarchive.jst.go.jp/english/jnlabstract_en.php?cdjournal=tjem1920&cdvol=119&noissue=2&startpage=115

C)

Attempts were made to purify the LH-releasing substance extracted from oat
leaves by means of two-step chromatography using a weakly acidic ion exchange
resin (CG-50, type ‡U) and DEAE-Sephadex.
A large ammonium acetate-buffered column of Sephadex G 25, (150 •~4.5 cm),
has been used by several reseachers with successful results (Dhariwal et al. 1964,
1965) in place of the ordinary small column for the purpose of isolating the LH-RH
from the hypothalamus, while Schally and Bowers (1964) purified an extract from
the bovine hypothalamus by passage through a column of CM-cellulose. Baba
et al. (1971) proved the above extract to be a polypeptide and its amino acid
sequence to be (pyro) Glu-His-Tyr-Gly-Leu-Arg-Pro-Gly-NH,. The present
authors have followed the chromatographic method described by the afore
mentioned researchers in the purification of LH-releasing hormone, but only with
unsatisfactory results in the plant. However, three peaks of ninhydrin color value
were obtained from the oat leaf extract by passage through a column of DEAE
Sephadex (basic ion-exchange Sephadex), which had not been applied to the
purification of hypothalamic LH-RH. Of the three peaks of ninhydrin-positive
substances, the fractions last eluted with 0.2 M pyridine-acetate buffer, which cor
responded to the last peak, were found to be active in LH-release. It appears from
these findings that the LH-releasing substance present in oat leaves is different from
the decapeptide from the hypothalamus.
At the present stage of investigation, it may be concluded that the LH
releasing substance extractable from oat leaves is a neutral or weakly acidic one of
low molecular weight in view of its behavior on chromatography on DEAE
Sephadex column as well as Sephadex gel filtration.

1) Baba, Y., Matsuo, H. & Schally, A.V. (1971)

http://www.journalarchive.jst.go.jp/jnlpdf.php?cdjournal=tjem1920&cdvol=119&noissue=2&startpage=115&lang=en&from=jnlabstract

Ale tez sa takie badania:

I)

Please don't believe the hype behind avena sativa. Avena sativa is the scientific name for wild oats. Tasty and a good source of carbohydrates to be sure, but a testosterone booster? No way! There are no studies or historical evidence that avena sativa does anything to increase testosterone levels. 0 out of 10 stars!

http://www.submityourarticle.com/articles/Steven-Walters-2063/testosterone-15411.php

II)

As for Wild oats, there are no formal studies testing its effect on humans. Yet significant amounts of
anecdotal clinical observations, particularly with men in their 20s and 30s who had low testosterone
levels for their age, have shown that supplementation with Avena sativa results in dramatically increased
testosterone levels. The key to the effectiveness of wild oat supplements lies in the quality of the extract.
Most extracts tested show little to no presence of the active avenacosides, which provide all of the
potency.

http://www.acupuncturecenteraa.com/pdf/hormones/testosterone_barron.pdf



Badania3:

LDL/HDL

A)

Additional clinical studies have shown that Avena sativa is also important in the lowering of cholesterol and assisting individuals in their efforts to quit smoking; The Cholesterol Lowering Effects of Oats (The Lancet, August 10 1973 pg-303), Pharmacotherapy with Avena Sativa - a Double Blind Study., Int J Clin Pharmacol Biopharm. 1976 Oct;14(3):214-6, Schmidt K, Geckeler K,


In recent times, the grain has attracted much interest for its ability to lower levels of "bad" (LDL) cholesterol. Oats also contain a class of phenolic antioxidants called "avenanthramides", which are bioavailable and may also have anti-inflammatory effects.

http://vitamins.ultimatefatburner.com/avena-sativa-review.html

B)

During an 11-week, randomized controlled trial, two groups of patients (Hispanic Aa corn cereal (n=79) or an oats-containing (n=73) cereal preparation. The main bodyparticipants varied between 28.4 and 30.2 (patients with a BMI > 38 were excluded). At the end of the treatment period, total cholesterol in the oats
Caloric restriction, fat modification and oat bran supplementation were part of the nwithin a 4 week lifestyle health program for 235 patients with overweight and hypercholesterolemia.Patients were divided into 2 groups: one lifestyle group (n=136) and another with theals 35-50g oats per day (n=99). Male overweight but normocholesterolic subjectcontrols (n=55). In thecholesterol (Berg et al. 2003). The food matrix or the food processing, or both, could have adverse effects on the hyproperties of oat beta-glucan. This was the conclusion of a comparison between2 studies with oat beta-glucan added to bread or to orange juice. LDL-cholesterol dida group (n=23) eating bread and cookies with wheat fiber during 4 weeks, as comeating bread and cookies with beta-glucan from oats (5 g/day). When the wheat fibe(p < 0.001 for a decrease of 6.7one week with 25 patients (18-65 years; BMI < 30; total cholesterol (Kerckhoffs et al. 2003).

http://www.ema.europa.eu/docs/en_GB/document_library/Herbal_-_HMPC_assessment_report/2009/12/WC500017998.pdf

C)

Effect of Avena Sativa (oat bran) enriched diet on the atherogenic lipid profile in patients with an increased coronary heart disease risk. A controlled randomized lifestyle intervention study.
Ann Nutr Metab. 2003;47(6):306-11.
To study whether an avena sativa bran enriched diet has a specific effect in lowering total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterols, in addition to caloric and fat restriction. We performed a randomized, controlled, parallel-group, single-centre study in which 1,994 patients from the Wehrawald Hospital were screened and 235 met the criteria male gender, hypercholesterolemia, and overweight. All patients in the Hospital took part in a 4-week standardized inpatient lifestyle health program consisting of dietary intervention, increased physical activity, and health education. Caloric restriction, fat modification, and avena sativa bran supplementation were part of the nutritional regimen within the lifestyle health program. Ninety-nine patients were randomized to a fat-modified diet with caloric restriction and a daily intake of 35-50 grams avena sativa bran and 136 patients to a fat-modified, oat bran-free diet with caloric restriction. The most significant decreases in total cholesterol, low-density lipoprotein cholesterol, and apolipoprotein B were found with the combination of the fat-modified and avena sativa enriched food. Added to a fat-modified diet, oat bran within a practical range of intake significantly reduces total cholesterol, low-density lipoprotein cholesterol, and apolipoprotein B.

http://www.raysahelian.com/avena_sativa.html


Badania 4

cAMP






Badania 5

Globulina wiążąca hormony płciowe (SHBG)

SHBG (ang. sex hormone binding globulin) &#8211; białko wiążące hormony płciowe. Syntetyzowane w wątrobie. Bierze udział w transporcie hormonów płciowych (testosteron, estradiol) we krwi. Hormony związane z SHBG nie posiadają aktywności biologicznej. Stężenie SHBG jest zwiększone w nadczynności tarczycy, ciąży, okresie dojrzewania.

Około 98% krążącego we krwi testosteronu występuje
w formie związanej z białkami (tab. I). U mężczyzn
około 44&#8211;65% tego hormonu wiąże się z globuliną wiążącą
hormony płciowe (SHBG, sex hormone binding globulin),
tworząc formę testosteronu o małej aktywności
biologicznej, ale trwałym i specyficznym wiązaniu

Całkowity testosteron = (wolny T + albumina-T )+ SHBG-T
->wolny T + albumina-T ->Biodostępny testosteron (BAT)






A)

Some supplements which can help lower SHBG levels are avena sativa and stinging nettle. An unpublished study has shown avena sativa can lower SHBG levels. You probably could get a similar benefit by eating whole oats daily though. Stinging nettle has a lot of promise however.

http://forum.lef.org/default.aspx?f=36&m=17675

B)

Avena Sativa is also a supplement used by many body builders. Unlike nettle root and pygeum, this supplement frees testosterone that has already attached to SHBG. This leads to increased testosterone levels in the body and an increased chance for building lean muscle mass.

http://www.articlealley.com/article_874088_23.html

C)

Avena sativa contains the alkaloid avenin, chemically similar to testosterone, which is bound to sex-hormone-binding-globulin (SHBG), thus releasing greater amounts of active testosterone and increasing libido

http://www.supersmart.com/en--Prosexual-Formula-Man--Sexuality--0517

D)

The problem is that bound testosterone is not nearly as effective as free testosterone in stimulating the sex and "life drive" centers in the brain. Avena sativa (green oats) and urtica dioica (nettles) easily travel throughout the body and free up testosterone&#8212;thus increasing desire. In studies, these two herbs & Nettles increased free testosterone levels an astounding 105% on average!"

Jon Barron, Lessons from The Miracle Doctors: A Step-by-Step Guide to Optimum Health and Relief from Catastrophic Illness (Get the book.)


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Podsumowanie:

Co mozena powiedziec o Avena Sativa?
Na pewno to ze:
-pomocny przy depresjach, frustracjach nerwowych, bezsenności, melancholii, wyczerpaniu &#8211; szczególnie w okresie przekwitania &#8211; i jako środek wzmacniający przy stresie i po chronicznych chorobach
-pozytywnie wpływa też na funkcje seksualne
-podnosi poziom libido
-działa jak afrodyzjak
-podnosi poziom LH
-podnosi poziom cAMP
-obniza poziom SHBG
-podnosi poziom wolnego testosteronu (?)


Polecane dawkowanie:
~300mg ekstractu Avena sativa stosowane 30-60min przed treningiem

Polecany schemat
5 dni ON
2 dni OFF
8 tygodni ON
2 tygodnie OFF


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Zmieniony przez - solaros w dniu 2010-09-10 18:22:40

Stoked po tygodniu powiem, że działa. Ciągnie wodę. Czuję się cały czas nabity i ciągle się chce:) Siła również rośnie. Ale to dopiero tydzień. Co prawda pobiłem swoje rekord we wszystkim, ale to też wynikowa żywienia i poprzedniej suplementacji.

szykuje posta na temat Icariin - i tymbardziej przekonuje sie w mniemaniu ze Stoked bardziej jako AI niz jako boozer testosteronu sam w sobie (dorzucajac antyestorgenowe wlasciwosci Quercetin i Trans-Resveratrol)

co oczywiscie nie zmienia faktu ze product rewelacyjny - sprawdzone i dzialajace skladniki! (z reszta o Resveratrol'u tez zamierzam napisac)

czytalem rozne Reviews - to podobne jak Ty
znaczna poprawa sily
ubice
poprawa snu
o libido nie wspomne
czesc pisze o niesamowitych pompach - ale tylko czesc (pewnie zasluga innych srodkow albo Piperine i jego mocy)

Zmieniony przez - solaros w dniu 2010-09-11 23:12:00

Wiem.
Spróbuję teraz taki zestaw. Potem typowy booster, bez AI. Potem AI.
Co do pomp. Faktycznie o tym nie napisałem. Szczerze to mocno mi to przeszkadza przy przysiadach. Reszta partii ok, ale są to często też niestety bardzo bolesne pompy.
Teraz będzie 6-bromo włączone niedługo i Lean Extreme. No i pojadę jeszcze 6 tygodni na krecie po tym i odpoczynek z 2 tygodnie. To zastanie mnie w zasadzie grudzień jak skończe. Czas odpoczynku. Od stycznia redukcja. Do grudnia masa. Stwierdziłem, że pierdziele ciągłe nieudane redukowanie bez muskli. Teraz celem jest jak najwięcej muskli, z minimalnym przybraniem fatu. A dopiero potem redu. Na razie idzie tak jak ma iść:D


Zmieniony przez - Martainn w dniu 2010-09-12 10:23:37

barzo ciekawy post,Sog'as polecial, szkoda ze DAA u mnie kosztuje &pound;45 za 150gram w porownaniu do Stanow to jest to lekkie przegiecie

btw M
jakbys mogl to daj znac co jakis czas jak ci idzie z cyklonem, albo osobny post strzel bom ciekaw wynikow.
zdr

zamow z USA - pewnie karte masz wiec nie problem
na NUTRAPLANEt teraz sa co tydzien nowe promo ze wzgledu na Labor Day
wychaczylem Erase za 19$ (inhibitor aromtazaty),anabolic edge za 19$

teraz jest 6-bromo za 12$

Zmieniony przez - solaros w dniu 2010-09-12 14:49:43

Wkleję wyniki przed i po.

zobaczymy zobaczymy jestem ciekaw wynikow labolatoryjnych

jak na razie ja kompletuje zestaw

mam boostery tescia (2)
mam IA (erase)
przed treningiem nie wazne co - ale cos bez krety (idzie mi Adrena-G ->1,3-Dimethylamylamine, mam Fubar)

+ planuje zakupic cos na kortyzol -> wszystko wskazuje na Phosphatidyl Serine,tanie a dziala
mam tez Rhodiola Extract - a czulem sie po niej swietnie psychicznie wiec dorzuce

Zmieniony przez - solaros w dniu 2010-09-12 15:57:08