Ted Wong mówi o Jeet Kune Do- video

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MichalJF
in the last clip (with your visit) the collection of materials about BL that Stefan gathered is really impressive. respect.

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MichalJF So what do I practice in your opinion? Matado's JKD? This post about BJJ was almost an year ago, so my thinking changed completely. I spent many hours learning about what JFJKD really is, more than you devote your time to training.
I know "On-guard" position, better than you can realize.
Do you think it's a really difficult position to learn? It's very simple, just like all JFJKD is: simple, direct and efficient. So, don't tell me, I don't know how "On-guard" position looks like.

I wanted to help you (MichalJF) in spreading knowledge at this forum what JFJKD really is about, because people don't see a difference between JFJKD and "JKD Concepts" and don't know, JFJKD is very efficient. But I can't do it. You claim I don't practice JFJKD, cuz I train by myself, so I don't know what it is about.

From now on I'll probably finish sending my posts in this subject. It's a waste of time. I tried to help, but MichalJF is mad at me. I will never say, I train JFJKD. Michal, are you happy now?
SteFan, you're a skilled man, you know what JFJKD really is about,
so teach people how to use JFJKD in direct, efficient and simple way . Greet Ted Wong for this what he does for all JFJKD world. Bruce would be proud of him (Maybe is proud of him? )

I'll continue my training, just like always. It's not my fault, I've gotta train by myself. I'll never say I practice JFJKD. Michal asked not to call JFJKD this, what I do. Ok, done.
But I'm self taught and I'm proud I found out about JFJKD, and I'll still train for sure.


Zmieniony przez - Matado w dniu 2009-01-09 21:49:14

Matado, How can you know how much time I devote for training? Maybe more than you

You train materials from books and videoclips, do you think it's enough to say that you are doing JKD?

If you would like to train so much as you say than it should be no problem for you to make and effor and visit me in Brodnica, than I would know if you really know the appropriate JKD on guard stance for example

As for the difference between JFJKD and JKD concepts, I think that comparison material of both approaches that Stefan and I made is pretty good. I am glad that your opinnion had changed, hopefully becouse of Stefan and my posts on this forum.

I am not saying that you should give up training. But just name the things as they are without a fuss. The fact that you train isn't wrong. You got good attitude, but your statement about that you train Ted Wong JKD was the same as that Tim Tackett is student of Bruce Lee. You know what I mean? It's about keeping the lineage alive and real for the sake of preserving the Bruce Lee's art.

When you would like to train Wing Chun for example, do you really think that book content and some of vido clips are enough to make you say "I practice Wing Chun?" There are a lot of body mechanics that aren't in the books, a lot of details about JKD that aren't explained in the Fighting Method book. As a matter of fact, do you remeber what Stefan had said about the content of those books? We don't know if Bruce would publish this material as it is published.

You can't self teach yourself everything...about JKD as those books like tao of JKD and Fighting method are more like road map.


After a lot of years of reaserching JKD, reading books etc at that period I wouldn't ever say that I practice JFJKD, I was researching the way that I want to follow getting more and more informations.
I was fortunate to meet Ted Wong, be instructed by him for what I am very grateful, I always dreamt to meet Stefan Nikander and I was also enough fortunate to meet him and be thought privately the art of JFJKD by him. I am honoured to call me his JKD brother. That's why now I may say in my opinnion that I practice JKD that JKD I always wanted to practice.

I hope you got my point.


Cordx that collection that had been recorded is just a tip of an Iceberg. Stefan has GOT REALYY HUGE collection with notes about JKD. REALLY HUGE!!!! When I saw that on my own eyes I felt like I am in JKD heaven :)His knwoledge about JKD is just tremendous. That's also why I feel that I found my way in Ted Wong JKD approach as Ted Wong and Stefan had answered all of my question about JKD before I even had asked them. In "Ted Wong JKD" I find that JKD that I always wanted to train, where all of my questions are answered and where I have no doubt about anything. That's why I am so confident to stand for its right and in what I am saying.

Michal

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Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2009-01-10 19:46:47

I've watched many times footwork from TDJKD and DIJKD and i can't see any diffrences? Can u explain it for me?
I found some materials where sifu Inosanto talks about JKD,JFKG can u watch them and make statement about his words?





Zmieniony przez - Swamprage w dniu 2009-01-10 20:21:02

Okey, but how about you comment and make statment about my questions or materials that are presented by Stefan and me in previous pages?


Answering your question about footwork: First of all the on guard stance is different, seconadary In my opinnion Ted Wong footwork is differs from Inosanto as it's more smooth, explosive, precise, light. When Inosanto moves he looks like big truck filled with coil. Also the approach in teaching the importance of footwork is different in those two approaches. And just to add Inosanto teach footwork paatterns from Kali Silat and mix it with JKD. This is another difference as Ted Wong footwork is only unique JKD footwork. Of course I won't give you everything on plate as from some sources I heard that the polish JKD concepts representatives are taking my and Stefan statements and use them on their classes and teach it as Inosanto approach. Also it won't suprise me if all of a sudden the materials from Stefans vdieoclips would have been USED (not thought as they can only mimmick those moves not teach as they don't have a clue what they are about). But thankfully that some of JKD concepts representatives put their clip on youtube so we will be always able to see what they had been teaching before this discussion started.

I quess that behaviour of those JKD concepts representatives only depicts and prooves Stefan and mine close mindness and how BROAD KNOWLEDGE they have on JKD, and how sure they are about what they are teaching and their loyalty for their teachers

By the way in the clip Inosanto says that he is trying to teach JF gung fu and JKD as close as he had been thought bt Bruce right? Why then he made up JKD wooden dummy sets if Bruce didn't teach or practice nothing like that? What's more why he is telling that Bruce thoight JKD in 1964 if Bruce coined the term Jeet Kune Do in 1967? At that time he thought Jun Fan gung fu or non classical gung fu I quess. Another question is why Inosanto says that original JKD is Jun Fan Gung Fu and JKD is just a concept and add a lot of different techniques from other styles into JKD and still call it JKD as Bruce was against adding techniques from other styles or mixing JKD with other styles and he separeted Jun Fan Gung Fu from Jeet Kune Do as it was thought seperatly in L.A Jun Fan Gung Fu- Jun Fan Gung Fu was thought by Inosanto and Jeet Kune Do was thought by Bruce privately at his home. Why is he using term of Jun Fan martial arts and Jun Fan kickboxing, Jun Fan trapping, Jun Fan grappling etc. as those terms weren't used by Bruce. What's more Inosanto came up with those terms for last few years as he didn't use those terms back in 1975 at his Kali Institute...

And why he is always justifing that when he was learning from Bruce Lee no one was around and no one saw it.....?

Can you comment on that?



Michal

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Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2009-01-11 17:37:03

Very good clips to present "both sides of the coin". Michail is absolutely right when he says that it is up to us authentic JKD practitioners to give our point of view on our side of the coin. Then people can choose which side of the coin suits them best.

More clips like this from both camps. more arguments on why we prefer out approach. This is good for JKD, both Jun Fan as well as Concepts approach

/Stefan

This is what I supposed that will happend, the same situation as sometime ago, now when there is concepts guys turn to answer the questions, they are just silenty waiting with hope that the this subject will end up soon. Or their next topic will be another question from their side just change the topic

Swamprage, I answerd your question. Why don't you answer mine? What do you think about the last comparison of sides that I made? You said that you train JKD concepts for year now, why don't you share with us the informations about what is JKD etc that you recieved from your instructor on training?





Michal


Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2009-01-13 16:18:43

Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2009-01-13 16:19:03

Man gimme some breath You are asking hundred of questions and then write "oh its just like i fought "concepts guys" know nothing and they are silent"
About footwork - > You said " Ted Wong footwork is differs from Inosanto as it's more smooth, explosive, precise, light. When Inosanto moves he looks like big truck filled with coil."
Funny comparising, and you're write I saw clip with Wong's footwork on yt and he's really fast and looks great but do he still moves like that, now? But I will ask once more: Are their footworks are so much diffrent to each other (in technicaly point of view)?
On one of clips with Inosanto he shows three or four types of movement but I was taught only 2 one is when your foot goes ie 10 cm and then goes your rear foot also 10 cm and second is when your rear foot is replacing your lead foot (when I'm going forward) - Always forward - lead foot starts, backwards rear foot starts left - left etc
About position, lead leg turned little bit into center, and rear foot turned on same degree and heel is up...
About comparison - On your clips in 90 % you are using lead leg on other clips ppl are using more or only rear leg, I've been tought to use lead leg to kick side, round, hook and "ball's kick" don't know how to describe it and I've been tought to kick with rear leg kicks from MT like round kick, front kick, low kick etc. On one of your clis you (or Stefan) is doing chin choy and then striking with knee to head and for me its looks like MT knee ?
Greets,

ps.I'll paste some interessting materials, maybe u knew them "fhhoong"
http://www.thaiboxing.com/inosanto-interview.php






Zmieniony przez - Swamprage w dniu 2009-01-13 19:38:36

Third point of view on JKD from sfiu Bremer and Tackett:
http://www.56.com/u70/v_MTk4OTE0MDM.html

Zmieniony przez - Swamprage w dniu 2009-01-13 19:45:59