Diureza - jak wykonać

Witam!
Przygotowuję się do zawodów kulturystycznych. Obecnie jestem na diecie i treningu tzw" rzeźbiącym". W dniu zawodów zamierzam ważyć ok 88-89 kg.( obecnie 93kg).
Pytanie do ludzi którzy odwadniali się przed zawodami za pomocą diurezy. Wiem
mniej więcej jak powinna diureza wyglądać ale prosiłbym o opisanie dokładnie ilośći wody, ile dni przed zawodami itd.
Zaznaczam że nie stosuję żadnych środków niedozwolonych (czyt. sterydów:)
Z góry dziekuję za pomoc.

A kto tu koksuje? i co to są wogóle te asteroidy?
A tak poważnie to : jezeli spożywasz np 6-8litrów wody dziennie, to zacznij zmniejszać jej ilość o 250-500ml dziennie,inaczej zacznie organizm wydzielać hormony antydiuretyczne. I efekt będzie odwrotny. Zacznij pić zieloną herbate. Na 24h przed zawodami odstawiasz całkiem wode. Dodajesz potas. Niektórzy eliminują równierz sód, ja osobiście jestem za ale są i przeciwnicy. Sód pomaga transportować cukier do mięśni.
Najlepiej niestety abyś przetestował zachowanie organizmu w innym terminie niż dzień zawodów, u każdego inaczej to sie sprawdza. To tak jak z ketozą przed zawodami. Jedni chwalą, inni ganią. Pozdro

Wyślij do nich powiadomienia:

https://www.sfd.pl/profile.asp?mode=display&id=115979 
https://www.sfd.pl/profile.asp?mode=display&id=115980 
https://www.sfd.pl/profile.asp?mode=display&id=107281 

Piszesz że nie stosujesz sterydów , mam rozumieć że diuretyki(środki moczopedne też nie wchodzą w gre?(np furosemid) Aha za ile będziesz miał te zawody?

Żadne niedozwolone środki nie wchodzą w gre, tylko jakieś ziołowe. Dlatego zadałem to pytanie myśląc że ktoś z "niekoksujących" ludzi robił już diureze.
Nie chcę przez nadmiar wody zepsuć też formę dlatego pytam czy taki sposób odwodnienia będzie dla mmnie dobry? Zawody mam za tydzień.

kiedyś czytałem o jakimś suplemencie H20 Lean - nie pamiętam jakiej firmy. On powodował właśnie ( chyba ) to, o co się rozchodzi

takie moje 2 grosze

Pij herbate z pokrzywy. :)

Znalazlem jeszcze takie cos:
Shredded z SAN

jest calkiem oki mozesz tez sprobowac lekow oszczedzajacych potas ,ale tu trzeba robic wszystko z glowa

zanef jak dostaniesz jakies konkretne rady to napisz je tutaj , moj znajomy ma niedlugo zawody moze moglby z czgos skorzystac
lub jak inni maja jakas wiedze na temat odwadniania przed zawodami to niech tez cos napisza

Not sure if i posted this prior...here is a synopsis of great info on the subject of water loss precontest.

DROPPING YOUR WATER PRE-CONTEST: MANIPULATING THE SCIENCE BEHIND WATER HOMEOSTATIS

The body functions in feedback loops, including water homeostasis, much like the thermostat and the air conditioner in your house, car, etc.

If you set the AC to 70 (its set point), the temp must reach some threshold (say 72) before it kicks in. It will cool until it reaches some value below its set point, say 68. There is an overshoot in the system. There must be some off-set or error to turn the AC on when the temperature reaches 72, and as a result it will cool to provide somewhat of a temperature buffer (for example 68 or 2 degree below the set point of 70).

Your body works much in the same way: imagine how your inner thermostat would react if you turned a heater on near the thermometer, but on the other side of the room from the AC. The heater would blast the thermometer (sensor) and the AC would be going full blast to cool the room. If you cut the heater off, the "smart" thermostat would not just cool the room to 68 - it would cool it to some level below that, because it remembers that there's a "threat" of heat AND the thermometer still hot, even though most of the room is at or below 70. (It senses a hotter room than is actually the case!)

Water homeostasis is a bit more complicated, but you can use this principle to trick the body into drying out - losing water to a level of dehydration below its normal set point. Here's how:

-Turn on diuresis in the body by drinking LOTS of water, flooding it with fluid.
-The body will respond homeostatically by removing this water from the system. It senses that there is too much water because electrolytes (especially sodium) are diluted in the blood. When the water is lost, there will necessarily be some sodium loss.
-KEEP drinking water and the body will continue to lose water to try to keep up, but will lose some electrolytes as well. In fact, outpace the body's ability to lose water by INCREASING water intake gradually over several days and it will not quite be able to keep up. You'll be peeing like a racehorse by this point (but even get somewhat drier). (The body (hypothalamus) "senses" you have more water than you do, because electrolytes are so diluted.)
-ABRUPTLY stop drinking water and watch as the body continues removing it and "smartly" overshoots previous level of hydration, leaving you dry as a bone.

Additions to this:
-Use every means of diuretic (non-pharmacological) at your disposal, increasing dose as you increase water, turning on diuresis even more: vitamin C (3-5 g), caffeine, herbal diuretics, and finally for the last day of drinking water, a no-carb, purely protein diet. AFTER YOU STOP DRINKING WATER, CONTINUE with these natural diuretics, driving diuresis and keeping yourself dry.
-Take in minimal sodium as you are finishing your water intake and thereafter.
-Supplement with MultiMineral/Potassium(if using something that leeches potassium) to prevent cramping. (quinine sulfate if running lasix)

Here's a sample:
Mon, No carbs - glycogen depletion workouts
Tues: carb-up, some sodium (none added to food), 7L water
Wed: as above, 8 L water, Add in non-pharm diuretics
Thurs: as above, 9L water, Up diuretics
Fri: no-carbs (more on this later), only protein diet, minimal sodium, 10L of water, finished by 6PM, up diuretics even more.
Sat (show):




SALT: THE PRE-CONTEST NUTRIENT

When discussing diuretics and water retention it only seems logical to dispel another pre-contest myth: Salt is a bodybuilders’ friend, not enemy, pre-contest. Many bodybuilders eliminate sodium like an ex-spouse at a honeymoon assuming the result will be the coveted ‘dry look’ on contest day.

When salt intake is reduced, a series of ‘dry look’ nemesis arise. Salt contains sodium, and to a less degree potassium in the form of potassium iodide. When salt/sodium is reduced or eliminated from the diet the result is increased Aldosterone release. This makes the body excrete more potassium and hold more sodium/water. The resulting water retention gives the athlete a puffy wet look. This is due to electrolyte imbalances.

Reduced slat intake also negatively affects the all important sodium-potassium pump. This is the mechanism the body used to shuttle many nutrients into cells like those that all muscle fibers are composed of. (Gee, ya think?) This would therefore inhibit creatine and some amino acid structures from adequately transporting, as well as inhibit glycogen synthesis.

If the salt content is reduced in muscles so is the water content. This means catabolism, flat muscles come show time, and a lack of vascularity. (It would also inhibit erectile function, but that is another issue altogether.)

The body has three major areas it stores water and there is an actual hierarchy. The order of important is:

THE BODY’S WATER HIERARCHY

*The most important water store is in the blood and the vascular system. Without adequate water in the vascular system blood volume is compromised, and if severe enough, the result is death. So this rates a big number one in the water store hierarchy.

*The second on the big three list is muscle tissue. Water is required within all muscle tissues, both smooth and fibrous, to support life sustaining metabolic processes.

*The last area of importance for water storage is subcutaneous (under the skin) areas. This of course is the area that a bodybuilder wants to eliminate as much water from as possible the day of the show. The results a ‘make-it or break-it’ issue. Here’s how you do it:

The key to subcutaneous water control depends upon control of the hormone Aldosterone. Obviously estrogen control is part of this hormone cascade action/reaction. But, our main focus is salt and water control, so Aldosterone is the key.

Beginning 15 days out from a show, an athlete should increase salt intake 20-30%. This of course means salt intake was never reduced to begin with. The amount must remain reasonably high and steady each day. This creates an environment in which the body does not have to release Aldosterone. This causes salt to stay in the muscle tissue and the subsequent attraction of water stores there. Also, the all important maintaining of the sodium-potassium pump is accommodated as well. (During diet phases, this also reduces catabolism).

During the 15 day period, water intake must absolutely remain high. 1.5-2.0 gallons daily is a base line in fact(I prefer 4-6g). This helps your body excrete any extra sodium, which of course it will, because Aldosterone secretion in the body has been controlled by elevated salt intake/water intake. The body will continue to dump all excess water and sodium as long as this is followed.

On the Friday before a Saturday show, the athlete stops water intake. The body thinks it will still get the 1.5-4.0 gallons of water daily and continues to excrete water at its normal rate. This causes a decrease in blood volume and of course muscle water volume. Remember the body’s water hierarchy? Well, as a survival response or reaction, the body gives up water from the area of least importance as a means of compensation. Yup, you got it. Subcutaneous water is pumped into blood and muscles. The result is vascularity, full muscles bellies, and paper thin skin.

*It’s always a matter of working with, not against, the body’s action/reaction factors to accomplish the greatest progress and/or results.

*This works well with Creatine/Dextrose carb-loading also.

High water intake inhibits ADH release (high blood volume --> low anti-diuretic hormone release --> less water reabsorption in the kidneys)

....Since ADH is supressed from the high water intake, once you cut out water you will lose more because less is reabsorbed as it is cycled through the kidneys.........it usually takes at least a couple of days until ADH secretion is back to normal (via feedback loop), so you don't want to cut it out too early.

Tapering water causes ADH secretion to increase in response to the slow reduction in water intake. It is counterproductive to taper water!!!

The big question is, at what time exactly do you cut it right out......and how much, if any, diuretics do you take. I have found 24-36 hours is about the best timing possible...any more and you will be flat..any less and you may not have the time to get rid of all sub q h2o. you need to be drinking water in order for you to release it.....without drinking this will not work.


znalazłem takie coś, nie wiem tylko czy tydzień ci wystarczy, żeby zrobić to wszystko :o
Swoją drogą ciekawy temat na arta, chyba się wezme za to, pozbieram chyba informacje i coś skroje

Zmieniony przez - chudzio w dniu 2006-05-14 12:01:26

Dzięki za informacje. Ale fajnie by było mieć to w języku polskim (mój angielski kuleje). Może ktoś pokusi się o wyciągnięcie naistotniejszych spraw z tej treści.