Ted Wong mówi o Jeet Kune Do- video

SoulReaver your comments to my answers are:
Firstly you wrote that as you stated I made a noise around my person you wanted to see my abilities but you didn't and all you can see in the video clip with me that I am getting up from the bad and look through, present the Stefans collections- All I can say to you is look the whole videoclip
Secondary, when I said that I don't percieve myself as JKD master you said that from my posts you conclude that everyone are "lame" and I am the fu****ing greatest. Again all I can say is that it is your problem that you conclude that. It's not my fault. Then you commented you see how am I training- that my girl wrote here that I was on 2 seminars with Ted and visited Stefan. And that that is far too little with comparison with qualified instructors.- Firstly, so what that she wrote that? You must forgive me but I won't write you here about my private life why she wrote that and why only one person know and that's enoughMy question is how often did W.A or Kenjiro or Karpinski trained with Inosanto, Rick Young, Harstell when they were starting off with their JKD and their JKD schools?

Soul Reaver you said that you don't speak about JKD that firstly you see that nothing is coming to me and that you have nothing to do with JKD now. And that I am underestimate other instructors by making mistakes in their names. My comment is that well, my question is what should come to me? I am not attacking you guys but you are attacking me so maybe something should come to you
Now I didn't mistaken the name of Karpinski for purpose it was just a mistake sorry so anyway the third representative of Inosanto concepts isn't Piotr Karpinski but Robert Karpinski. My bad.

You said that you are interested in opinnion of people who will train with me but you doubt in the fact the there will be any voulenteers after my statements here on forum.- As and answer I will say that you will suprise yourself who wrote me and asked for training and even call what he was doing (JKD concepts) bullshit. So I quess you are little bit wrong.

Then Kenjiro said that I am tryin to turn the discussion to other side...and quote me that I said that:" Rick Young had visited you who teach panantukan and tells people that it's JKD". Well, I made that statement after watching some of the clips of people who represent the same- Inosanto lineage and say that it's JKD, for example the video above the Rick Youngs video. Do you remember what you have said about Stefan when you put his video with grappling techniques? That he is presenting mere level and he peeked those techniques from instructional video tapes and you had ended it with the statement GREAT ORIGINAL JKD DISPLAY...So think over who is making statement about who without actuall knwoledge what he is doing...
You said that you invited me just Rick could show me how his onguard and stuff is not appropriate. First all I can say is that it may be appropriate for modern boxing etc. but not accordingly to the JKD approach that I do... Well I have already said that I found my way in Ted Wong JKD approach, so my question is would it be sensible me to go on seminar with Rick Young, pay for the seminar and that seminar is going to be about submission and MMA? I peronally think that it would be throwing the money into the mud. Instead of that like I said I stick to Stefan and Ted Wong and train JFJKD all the time

Anyway you said I wrote that JKD concepts are presented by some people in Poland and that Jun Fan approach is represented by me. And then you wrote that in your school people can learn Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do, Jeet Kune Do concepts, Bjj, MMA and Kali, and that they know what they are doing...

Okey, my answer is that what you are calling Jun Fan JKD is like you said Jun Fan Gung Fu, then you said that JKD is only a concept and couldn't be thought.
All I said is that you are doing JKD from Inosanto lineage and it it is named Jeet Kuen.

And that I am the only one in Poland who is doing Ted Wong Jeet Kune Do.


P.S

Kenjiro, wasn't it you who said that as a matter of fact you don't like JKD and that you rather to train Muay Thai, becouse JKD can be whatever you call it also JKD? So who is trying to take the discussion the other way?


By the way, I really expect that you "concepts representatives" sooner or later will start to say- "But I am also doing Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do". But Stefan told me that "concepts people" from all around the world seem to react the same way, it seem that Poland is no exeption.

Michal

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Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2009-01-15 23:50:10

Nie, to nie ja powiedziałem. Znowu opierasz się na plotkach. Albo piąte przez dziesiąte z tego co powiedział ci Nikander z korespondencji ze mną.
To Rick Young u mnie na seminarium powiedział, że gdyby miał wybrać jeden styl do walki w stójce to wybrałby Muay Thai.

Tylko nie wiem co to zmienia?? Znowu odwracasz kota ogonem człowieku. Nie piszemy o tym co kto lubi robić albo jak walczy i czego używa w walce OSOBIŚCIE wyrażając samego siebie. Tylko czego ijak uczy. Jak przekazuje wiedzę.

I powtórzę pytanie gdzie Rick Young ucząc Panatukan twierdzi, że to Jeet Kune Do?? Dasz wreszcie ten klip?

Odpowiem za Ciebie: nie dasz takiego, bo nie istnieje. Rick Young kiedy uczy Jeet Kune Do to właśnie tego uczy. Kiedy uczy BJJ to tego właśnie uczy. Kiedy uczy kali to tego właśnie uczy.
Kiedy walczy to nie używa żadnego z nich i zarazem używa każdego z nich, bo to jego osobisty sposób walki, strategii itd itd

Tak więc przestań się motać i wykręcać.
Znam dokładnie to czego i jak uczy mój instruktor i jest zupełnie odwrotnie niż Ty starasz się wmówić innym ludziom zakładając kilka tematów o tym samym.

Wziąłem udział ponownie w tych d****nych tematach aby wyprostować Twoje "pomyłki".

Twój sposób prowadzenia dyskusji i argumentowania przypomina mi trochę polskich polityków, zwłaszcza z PIS-u. Tylko zważ sobie, że środowisko sztuk walki to nie jest środowisko polityczne i tutaj nie wystarczy opowiadać banialuków, tyko trzeba umieć swoje przekonania udowodnić w konfrontacji/treningu/sparingu.

Do ponownego "usłyszenia" na forum, jednak raczej później niż wcześniej.

Muszę jeszcze ustosunkować się do Twoich poprawek, bo poprawiasz/edytujesz posty z częstotliwością karabinu maszynowego.

Nie zapraszałem Cię na seminarium! Nie pochlebiaj sobie chłopcze!
I znowu próbujesz się w ten sam żałosny sposób usprawiedliwiać

Napisałem, że w przerwie między seminarium Rick pokaże Ci, że bardzo dobrze zna Jun Fan i to nie "modern boxing point of view" jak napisałeś tylko originalny materiał. Nie rozumiesz po polsku??
A jeśli będziesz chętny na sparing wg reguł JKD takich o jakich napisał Nikander - to służę swoją osobą. Zapewniam, że i na to kolejne 5 minut wystarczy Także to tylko będzie góra 10 minut

Powtarzam - zwrócę koszty jakie poniesiesz. Możemy wszystko udokumentować/sfilmować.
Jeśli się zdecydujesz, to proszę o kontakt [email protected]

Bye!

Kenjiro you said:

"No I didn't say that. Again you are basing on rumors or not clearly on what Nikander told you after corresponding with me.
What I said was that on seminar Rick young said that if he were to chose one style to use in "stand-up" he would chose Muay Thai
But I don't know what I change? Again you are taking the discussion other way. We aren't writing here who like to do what or fight and what he is using to personally express himself. But what and how he teach it. How passes the knowledge.

I reapet the question where Rick Young claims that it's JKD? Will you give the clip?

I will answer for you: You won't, becouse it doesn't exist. Rick Young when is teaching Jeet Kune Do then he is actually doing it. When he teaches BJJ then he is actually teaching it. When he is teaching Kali then he teaches it. When he fights he is using none of these and at the same time every of these, becouse it is his own way of fighting, strategy etc.

So stop mislead and make excuses.
I know exactly what my instructor is teaching and it is tottaly contrary to what you say, creating new subject about the same.

I again took part in those "moron" subjects to put on straight you mistakes. "

Then Kenjiro you are comparing me to the polictis etc. And that it's not enough to say but you must prove yourself in sparrings etc.

Then you wrote that again you must take your word to put on straight my mistakes. As I am editing my text with the speed of machine gun.

Then you continue "I didn't invited you for the seminar. Don't flatter yourself boy!
Again you are trying to justify yourslef with the same pathetic way.

I wrote that in the break on the seminar Rick will show you that he know Jun Fan very well and it's not "modern boxing point of view" as you wrote but original material. Don't you understand in polish.
And if you will be willing to for sparring with the rules about which Nikander had wrote- I can be your sparring partner. I assure you that for that another 5 minutes will be enough. So it will be maximmum 10 minutes.

I say again I will give you back all of the costs that you will pay. We can record everything. If you decide please contact me" and you gave the mail..


My answer is, again don't you think that that guy above video is very like Rick Young video clip? Well he represent the lineage of Inosanto and he named it JKD trapping. In conclision I didn't need to find Young saying that it's JKD.

Further more it's funny how you are trying to make excuses.

I will tell you one think this is exactly whatt hink about JKD concepts:

"They comercilize the art for last 35 years, really, honestly for last 35 year after Bruce passed away, Bruce's art take a turn and twist it's not, not his art anymore- they call it Jeet Kune Do concepts. Concepts bassicly they took Bruces idea and applied to many that were for not and then become Jeet Kune Do. in fact, even saying that there is no Jeet Kune Do only a concept, only philosophy. And that would hurt me a Lot!!!. Hurt me a lot deeply. If Bruces art die out like dinosaur extinct nobody would know about it I can live with that but Jeet Kune Do turn into something else and this is hoped to be Bruces art just like this apple or turn into orange. I think that's not right".

About the seminar and our possible sparring, I think that you are flattering yourself. Belive me that I have more important things to do that visiting you and that visit on Rick Young seminar with all respect to him would be my waste of time and money. If you want to spar so much why don't you visit me?

I don't base on rumors but on clear facts... And to me pathetic is you behaviour how you try to advertise the seminar by your posts with me. Should I do it you way? Ask moderator to delete your posts as I feel that they are trashing my subject?

The reason why I made the subjects and topics on this forum is becouse I read such things like "Tackett is the original student of Bruce Lee" or on your website that Bruce and Dan looked over 200 different martial arts and incorporated the techniques out of them into JKD. My quesrtion is on what condition did you wrote that? Can you bring, finally some facts?

One more thing from what you are writing about expressing oneself and what Rick Young using when he is fighting... I must ask- so you are saying that you can train Muay Thai but train it as JKD right? You are saying that Young is using all of those MA and none of it I presume that he is flowing from one structure into another... This seem to be far away from the JKD approach that Stefan and I represent and closer I would rather say typicall for JKD concepts.

Kenjiro if you write about what and who is teaching what and passing the knwoledge than why instead of that all of the time you are attacking me or Stefan?


P.S
Why do I edit my text so much, as I said I am English filology student when I see errors in my grammar and so on I feel a need to quickly refine it.

Michal



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And about corresponding Stefan wasn't corresponding with you but YOU WERE CORRESPONDING WITH HIM. AS IT WAS YOU WHO FIRSTLY ASKED HIM IF HE CAN correspond with you....

So don't flatter yourself

Oooops I almost forgot to ask you about one thing Kenjiro... Becouse you tried to get off a bit from the subject. Just like I said that some of JKD concepts guy is going to do that sooner or later...

My question is:

Do you have got any comments connected with the comparison of both sides of coin that Stefan and I made?



P.S

About insulting and attacking other instructors, Kenjiro you said that Tommy Carruther shit off his pants when he saw Rick Young, and that he is a "guy who only scream by the internet". So as a matter of fact you are attacking not only me and Stefan but also Tommy Carruthers. I think you need to learn a lot about the respect.

Michal

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Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2009-01-16 01:20:46

Panowie takie rozmowy pomiędzy sobą to proszę przez tel/gg/prv/mail

To jest forum DYSKUSYJNE.
A nie do pojedyńczych rozmów, czy też monologów.

To tak jakbym założył temat o UFC 93 i sam ze sobą pisał kto wygra walki. (Lub z jedną osobą) Bezsensu, a ten topik ciągnie się tak już bardzo długo.

A po drugie - Michal wybierz sobie jeden temat, bo masz dwa, i te dwa są praktycznie o tym samym Więc napisz, który mam zamknąć.

Pozdrawiam.

Te secondary subject is titled Jun Fan JKD tools applied in sparring. And it supposed to went that way... it's not my fault that people want to write there and ask questions there that they could simply post here... I just answered the questions.

Drugi temat jest zatytuowany Jun Fan JKD zastosowanie narzedzi w sparingu. I powinien byl pojsc taka droga... to nie moja wina ye ludyoe chca pisac tam i zadawac pytania ktore mogliby zadac tutaj. Ja poprostu odpowiadalem na pytania.


This subject "Ted Wong mowi o Jeet Kune Do- video" is I would say the main subject.

Tne temat " Ted Wong mowi o Jeet Kune Do- video" jest, powiedyialbym glownym tematem.
So there is no need to close down either of that subjects.
Wiec nie ma potrzeby zeby zamykac zadnego z tematow.


Michal

"I know exactly what my instructor is teaching and it is tottaly contrary to what you say"

I don´t doubt that you do, as well as Rick Knows what Inosanto is teaching. All I want to stress is DOES THE MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC know?

Take I video by Rick Young. He is known by the public mainly as a JKD person, the first full Instructor under Inosanto. When he is talking about martial art he is not saying that it IS JKD, but he isn´t also saying that The muay Thai he is demonstratiog IS NOT. Confusing to the JKD world, NO. To the Public, I think so ;)

I want to make one thing clear, When I comment WHAT someone does, doesn´t mean that I am commenting WHO they are. When I am commenting JKD Concepts I am Commenting WHAT I see in their JKD Approach. When I comment Rick Young´s tapes I have comments on how he has chosen to put the video togethet, what he is showing. I am not saying that he is an "assh´whole" just beacuse it doesn´t fit my point of view.

My experience is that Concepts people take it too personally when jun fan people comment their JKD Concepts techniques/approach.

I am only speaking for myself, but when people attack my personality when I am trying to discuss the techniques and JKD, i am no better. I easily fall into the discussion and try to answer the attacks on my personality. But "all knowledge is selfknowledge", and do my best to keep to the subject.

In Sweden and Scandinavia I have come to the point that after over a year of dealing with these personala Attacks I have decided not to give the energy, the energy is too negative. I have never had the ambition to become a "know it all superior JKD instructor", I am happy with having Micahail as my only JKD Brother in Poland. I am now giving him my support, taking all these comments about my JKD. But believe me, I do not give up easily, but I will also only take it to a certain point. If I feel that I have given 100%, and we are not getting anywhere in our efforts to get The JKD family togethet, to cooperate, I will put the energy on those who want it.

I see myself in Michail, proud and selfconfident. Ia also know that he has to both defend attacks on him as a person, but also comments on his jun Fan Jeet Kune Do if we are to have a 50/50 future in JKD approaches.

I definitely hope that I have a more diplomatic approach. I can have that since Poland is not my "backyard", I am only a guest.

Michail is saying that "Poland is no different".No it is not, but I hope that it could be, just as I wish that the attitude againts Jun fan also would change, not only in Sweden and Norway, but the whole world.

Somebody has to be first to but the differences aside, see similarities instead of differences. I am the first to "jump on this boat", being able to have opinion on each others interpretations of JKD without it turning to personal attacks and "Petty Struggle" about nothing of importance in the wholw run.

Walk On !

/SteFan

Stefan wrote:
"ake I video by Rick Young. He is known by the public mainly as a JKD person, the first full Instructor under Inosanto. When he is talking about martial art he is not saying that it IS JKD, but he isn´t also saying that The muay Thai he is demonstratiog IS NOT. Confusing to the JKD world, NO. To the Public, I think so ;)"

I told You before I will tell You again: this is NONSENSE. Those videos are scrap of Rick's instructional tapes. Every of those tape have TITLE like Kali Single Stick, Kali Empy Hand, Ne-Waza or BJJ Guard etc etc. Why he should tell on those tapes that those thing are not JKD?? Think! This is absurd what You are saying.

Ciao

Kenjrio, what I have noticed is that you only say, "Why did you put this Rick Young video here", and advertise his seminar somehow. I had answered your doubt why did I put this video:

Becouse the teachniques on this video are the very same as on the video that I posted above of it where it is clearly said that it is JKD trapping. What's more in that "JKD trapping" video the guy who show it is FROM INOSANTO LINEAGE!!!!

In my opinnion it's enough logical to think that what is on the Rick Young video is JKD. Next like Stefan said, Rick on the video didn't say that it is not JKD and he is most known for being JKD concepts representative under Inosanto...

Kenjiro you said that it was Rick Young who said that if he were to chose the best style to find in "stand-up" he would chose Muay Thai...right? My question is why then he didn't do that? I quess that he trains Muay thai why doesn't he choose Muay Thai and train only it if he feels that it's the best art?

Anyway, if it is such a big deal to you Kenjrio, why don't you put a video where Rick Young is saying and showing the ORIGINAL JUN FAN material ( in his opinnion). Wouldn't it be the material from Dan Inosanto instructional tapes? Where Dan says that Jun Fan Gung Fu is a base system for JKD and that Jun Fan Gung Fu is what Jun Fan JKD approach people call original JKD?

Well, if yes, then I must say that it is far different from the Ted Wong JKD approach that Stefan and I represent and stand for.



My question is, Do you Kenjrio, have any comments on that comparison video that Stefan made? Or maybe you have got any comments about the comparisons that I made?



Michal

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