Ted Wong mówi o Jeet Kune Do- video

As a matter of fact Ted Wong footwork is in my opinnion even more, exlplosive, smooth. I can assure you that sifu Ted Wong footwork is something very very OUTSTANDING. I witnessed and experienced it on my own eyes and all I can say that I have never ever seen no one to move so remarkable and marvelous. This is also why I feel Ted Wong JKD as "that's it" becouse of importance of footwork.


About the on guard description, If this is all you have been thought or in your mind most important things in on guard than I must say that you haven't been thought about a lot very important details.

Hmm... In my opinnion Stefan kneeing the heavybag is far from Muay Thai way of kicking- one of the thing is that he isn't telegraphing the movement by drawing back firstly the lead leg


Tackett is student of Dan Inosanto so....his approach to JKD is more like his teacher as he said by himslef that most that he knows about JKD comes from Dan Inosanto. Although Bob Bremer influenced his JKD....

Stefan had opportunity to train with Bremer, as he trained with all of Bruce Lee's students he also trained with Tackett as well. All I can say is that that I quess I know why despite all of that he stayed with Ted Wong teachings I am very fortunate to learn Ted Wong JKD through Stefan as he knows and can show and tell the differences between the approaches.

And yes footwork of Ted Wong differs very much from the footwork that is thought by Inosanto. Details ARE important!!!!!!!!!




Michal



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But I will ask once more: Are their footworks are so much diffrent to each other (in technicaly point of view)?


I will give you my point of view. Yes, they are showing the same Footwork. The difference to me is:

1, ted wong is doing/Being the Footwork
2. Inosanto is demonstrating the Footwork.

Inosanto to me doesn´t seem comfortable with the JKD Footwork. Watching Inosanto Bounce Like a boxer, Switching footwork from Muay Thai, dancing From Silat, then he accordingto me looks very comfortablem but not when he is teaching JKD Footwork, it looks mechanical when I compare it to Ted.

you know the saying "practice makes perfect". When I see them demonstrating JKD (Or Jun fan as Inosanto likes to call it) I would say that Inosanto has not trained what he is showing as much as Ted Wong Has.

Ted has done nothing for 30 years than perfecting his JKD/Jun fan Gung Fu Footwork. I think that Inosanto has put a lot more effort to perfecting many other styles Footwork, and this obviously shows when he is demonstrating the things that he has trained less. To me Ijnosantos Martial art has not as muck JKD in it as ted Wong has in his martial art.

Agáin, just my observation. if it offends you, yuo should be asking yourselves why it offends you, and give you point of view of it

Just my point of view, explained in a different way than Michail. But I absolutely understand what he is trying to say.

/SteFan

Okey, I would like here to make another comparison...

Here we have typicall examples how trapping look like in JKD concepts approach right:







and





This clip of (P.F.S.) representative he trained with... Inosanto, Balicki, Paul Vunak... so he lineage is like Kenjiro, W.A and Karpiński...
Here are another examples












Now take a second, think it over and..... just make a logical comparison based on what Bruce wrote, had shown etc. Doesn't those clips above resemble more Filipino Martial arts than Bruce Lee's art? Where is directness and simplicity, the economy of motion?



Now the Jun Fan JKD Ted Wong approach on the same subject:









Now in the clips you can see Ted Wong and Stefan Nikander this is my lineage in JKD.



Now I have said that I will give more information soon about the Ted Wong JKD approach trainings in Brodnica, so here it is. Trainings are in Mondays on 19:30 p.m if you want further information like the Street etc. you can contact me by GG or email

Hopefully, now you understand what Stefan and I tried to say when we were talking about trapping and that what we are doing in our Ted Wong Jun Fan JKD approach differes from "JKD concepts approach".

Michal








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temat z dupy

FightOrDie you said that his subject is out of ass, Why do you think so? Do you train JKD


First video can't be played so I will out something instead:




W.A the representative of JKD concepts in Poland from Inosanto,Hartsell, Burczynski, Paulson lineage said that the most important thing in trapping is to entrap.

Ok. It's the the most important thing in concepts approach


But in Ted Wong JKD the most important thing is to HIT like Stefan and I had said.


Michal

Michał, zyczę ci powodzenia w nauczaniu swoich podopiecznych, na pewno trening raz w tygodniu uczyni z nich mistrzów wielkiego kalibru
tak jak z ciebie uczyniły 2 seminaria z Tedem, Stefanem oraz nauka z książek

Proszę nie zamieszczać klipów, w których występuje Sifu Rick Young z sugestią jakoby prezentował na nich techniki z zakresu Jun Fan.
NIGDZIE Sifu Rick nie twierdzi (na zamieszczonym klipie), że to co pokazuje to Jun Fan.

Sifu Rick będzie w Gdyni 25-26 kwietnia. Jestem pewny, że zaprezentuje Tobie (na Tobie, abyś poczuł a nie tylko zobaczył) swoje umiejętności z zakresu Jun Fan, zarówno jeśli chodzi o pozycje, poruszanie, uderzenia czy trapping.

Samo seminarium dotyczyć będzie Submission i MMA ale myślę, że w przerwie między blokami treningowymi Sifu Rick znajdzie 5 minut.

Żeby zachęcić Ciebie bardziej, zwrócę Tobie koszty dojazdu do/z Gdyni.


Dziękuję za uwagę.

SoulReaver wrote: " Michal, I wish you luck in teaching your students, one training during the week will make out of them masters of huge matter.
The same as 2 seminars with Ted, Stefan and learning from books made out of you. "





Here is my answers to you SoulReaver: Thanks for your wishes But you shouldn't have been bothered by that The frequency of trainings depends only on people Who said that they are forced to train only one time at the week...
If you have something to say about my abilities than ( without knowing and even seeing me at all). You can always check the little comparison that I made
Thanks for regarding me as a great Master... as I don't percieve myself as a master and I am not ordering to call myself that way as someother people do
Secondary, who said that I am learning from books? I am reading books about JKD but I am learning Ted Wong JKD from him and through Stefan Nikander. I see that when it comes to make statments about JKD you are silent Soul Reaver but when it comes to talk about me then you are the first one to make the statements- loud Soul Reaver Those people who will train with me, well I can assure you that they won't be doing Jeet Kuen. And after a while of traning they will be able to speak here on forum so you will now what they learned.


Kenjiro,wrote:
"Please don't put clips with Rick Young with suggestion that he is showing there techniques from Jun Fan range. Sifu Rick says nowhere( in the clip posted here) that what he is showing is Jun Fan.

Sifu Rick will be in Gdynia on 24-25 April. I am sure that he will show you ( on you so you will feel it not only see) his abilities from Jun Fan range, as well as it come to position, footwork, hitting and trapping.

The seminar itself will be about Submission and MMA but I think that in meantime during the break between seminar he would find 5 minutes.

To make you more willing to come I will give you back the costs of getting to Gdynia.

Thanks for attention."


Kenjrio here is answer:

This was posted just to make a comparison as above the Rick Young video there is a video of Inosanto, Vunak and Ron Balicki student who is showing very same techniques and it's named JKD trapping.
Secondary, thanks for your invitation but I have found my way in JKD already and I am focused on doing it not something else. That's why I will be keeping on visiting Stefan and going on Ted Wong seminars as I feel it to be my way in JKD. And I really don't feel the need to be convinced by anyone Rick Young for example to do something else as I am quite sure that no one is able to do that By the way I didn't said that Rick Young is not good at what he is doing. I just made a clear comparison. People who watch it can make their own choice. As I and you did. I have chosen to follow Ted Wong Jeet Kune Do approach while you have chosen the Rick Young JKD approach which is Inosanto approach in other words- Jeet Kune Do concepts

(By the way I really doubt that Rick young would be able to show me all of what you have said in 5 minutes. If yes than... well answer yourself )


Your reaction( poeple who stand for JKD concepts) on my last post is exactly what I have expected

Michal


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Szybka i ostatnia odpowiedź bo szkoda mi czasu na bezcelową wymianę zdań z kimś tak niereformowalnym jak ty Michał.

"If you have something to say about my abilities than ( without knowing and even seeing me at all). You can always check the little comparison that I made " - no cóż, bardzo chciałem zobaczyć cię w akcji, po tym jak zrobiłeś wielki szum wokół swojej osoby, ale jedyne co zobaczyłem, to to jak wstajesz z łózka, i oglądasz kolekcje materiałów o JKD u Stefana. Relacji z twoich treningów albo nie umieściłeś, albo ja nieuważnie przeglądałem ten temat, gdyż nie ukrywam, że coraz mniej mnie on interesuje. Ale jeśli rzeczywiście przeoczyłem pokaz twoich umiejętności to proszę o naprowadzenie mnie gdzie szukac tego materiału.

"Thanks for regarding me as a great Master... as I don't percieve myself as a master and I am not ordering to call myself that way as someother people do" - no cóż, ton twoich wypowiedzi mówi jednak co innego, wszyscy są ciency strasznie tylko ty jedyny nieziemsko za***isty bo kroczysz ścieżką JFJKD.

"Secondary, who said that I am learning from books? I am reading books about JKD but I am learning Ted Wong JKD from him and through Stefan Nikander" - no cóż, już twoja (ex?) dziewczyna się wypowiedziała, jak się uczysz 2 seminaria z Tedem i troche czasu ze Stefanem myślę, że to niewspółmiernie mało, w porównaniu z ludzmi którzy trenują kilka razy w tygodniu u wykwalifikowanych instruktorów (nie wazne co trenują, może być nawet Aikido, regularny trening a seminaria raz na kiedyś- roznica jest).

"I see that when it comes to make statments about JKD you are silent Soul Reaver but when it comes to talk about me then you are the first one to make the statements- loud Soul Reaver" - nie wypowiadam sie odnoście JKD po pierwsze dla tego ze do ciebie nic nie dociera, a po drugie dlatego, ze juz z JKD nie mam nic wspólnego, natomiast twoja postawa i ignorancja, nie mówiąc już o lekceważeniu innych instruktorów (np. PIOTR Karpiński - kto to jest? Ja nie wiem, ale ty chyba wiesz bo tak napisałeś) działa chyba wiekszości zainteresowanym lekko na nerwy.

"Those people who will train with me, well I can assure you that they won't be doing Jeet Kuen. And after a while of traning they will be able to speak here on forum so you will now what they learned. " - nie mogę doczekać się ich opinii, serio, chociaż po anty reklamie którą sobie tutaj zrobiłeś, może być ci cięzko znaleść uczniów, no ale to już nie moja sprawa.









Zmieniony przez - SoulReaver w dniu 2009-01-15 22:41:09

Nie wykręcaj teraz kota ogonem. Na pierwszej stronie tego wątku napisałeś, że Rick Young wmawia, że pokazuje Jeet Kune Do a pokazuje Panantukan.
Cytuję:
"Odwiedził Cię Rick Young- który wmawia że panantukan to JKD"
Teraz zamieściłeś fragment szkoleniówki, bodajże Masters Seminar, w kontekście, że to co tam Rick pokazuje to Jun Fan.
Pokaż mi proszę video, artykuł, jakiś tekst czy cokolwiek gdzie Rick twierdzi, że pokazuje Jun Fan a tymczasem prezentuje coś innego: kali, muay thai, bjj itd itd
Jeżeli nie masz takiego przykładu, to przestań siać oszołomstwo i nie wprowadzaj ludzi w błąd.

Piszesz, że nie chcesz przyjechać bo znalazłeś już swoją "drogę" i nie chcesz się uczyć z innego źródła. No i dobra, Twoje prawo. Ja jednak nie zapraszałem Ciebie na lekcję z Rickiem, a na prezentacje na Twojej osobie jak "złą" Rick ma bai-jong, jak "zły" jest Jego straight lead, jak "zły" jest Jego trapping i jak to wyczynia ewolucje 15 trapów zanim uderzy..., jak "zła' jest Jego praca nóg itd itd
No bo przecież o to chodzi, prawda? Takie są Twoje intencje - aby ludzie poznali dwie strony medalu, jak to nazywasz.
To może Ty najpierw poznaj tę drugą stronę, doświadczając jej bezpośrednio (gwarantuję, wystarczy te 5 minut aż nad to) z od człowieka, który ma pojęcie o tym co robi, a nie oglądając filmiki na Youtube

Te filmy, które zamieściłeś m.in tego gościa na drugim filmie - to jest cyrk a nie trapping. Co to niby ma udowodnić? Tylko tyle, że ten człowiek nie ma pojęcia o tym co usiłuje zrobić.

Napisałeś, nie pamiętam, w którym temacie, że JKD concepcje reprezentują tacy a tacy i robią wszystko inne tylko nie Jun Fan, a Jun Fan reprezentujesz Ty.
Pozwolę sobie sprostować w przypadku mojej szkoły. Można u mnie ćwiczyć Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do oraz to co nazywane jest Jeet Kune Do Concepts oraz BJJ oraz MMA oraz Kali... I wiesz co? Wiedzą co ćwiczą i kiedy.