Ted Wong mówi o Jeet Kune Do- video

If we base on clip which Michal presented, JKD was the art of kicking something between yoko and mawashi with a front leg. And even If, for someone so agile and quick like bruce, it was enough, for typical fighter like me and you it's not sufficent to face opponent from other contact martial arts. And that's why concepts are closer to every of us, becouse they are complete and developing a lot of fighting aspects, not only punching and kicking from front arm or leg.
And about filipino, as I said before, there are separate tranings of Kali escrima apart from jkd, and if someone is intrested in them, can train it , and that's it. Filipino is not a part of JKD, it is addition only.

Zmieniony przez - SoulReaver w dniu 2008-11-25 16:33:06

Oh man!!!
After watching that movie do you conclude that they were only practicing kicking? There are a lot of other different footages. And they all mostly show Ted Wong training with Bruce or holding shield for him, anyway that particular video posted by me shows that JKD was simple, direct, non classical. And that it didn't incorporated many techniques from many different martial arts as it was designed for the science of human body mechanics;). Ofcourse you my find similarities or should I said that some technique resemble some other from the outside for example techniques in the way of kicking but they aren't the same techniques as in other styles. As it was stated before JKD is unique with it's structure




Michal
Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-11-25 17:23:55

Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-11-25 17:24:39

Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-11-25 17:26:24

Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-11-25 17:26:46

95% clips witch you shows us, are based on kicking in punching in that way. And that is why OUR ( i think i can say for the rest of us), OUR imagine of real JKD is like this. Show us something else, than we can talk. At the moment i see Your JKD in this way unfortunatelly.
And about those clips with training fight which Stefan presented, there are elements od JKD ( kicking and punching from front arm and leg), Ving Tsun (specific fast punches) and poor, really poor ground fighting and throws.
What is more, we can see how JKD adepts are learned to keep guard, arms on the chest level, protecting middle area of the body instead of head, sure that their front kicks can stop the attacker. Also TKD adepts on first MMA tournaments based on that position, keeping arms low and prepearing for quick kick. How It ended, everyone knows.
In fight, no matter on ring, street or training, it is essencial, CRUCIAL to keep Your arms protecting Your head, no Your chest or stomach. That is my point of view, and point of view alost every Full Contact fighter this days.

Jakby koleś od "Ała" zmienił pozycję na lewą, a nie trwał w prawej jak kretyn, to by nie był tak otwarty na kopnięcia w brzuch i klejnoty. W walce trzeba przede wszystkim myśleć na nie machać bezmyślnie kończynami

I must agree with SoulReaver
Base on only few technicks (stop kick and attack vital points) is not good
for "normal" people it probably work but on fighters probably not
you sparring are not much difrent than MMA sparings (we have less protect equipment)
you don't use to much knee(witch I use when someone is near to me or when he wants to take me down)
one more thing taking down and grappling on normal floor is not good idea
if attacker would have left leg front you would have big problems ( I have and my friends if somebody has right front leg)
you should spar with MMA fighters ( I am not sure if on MMA turnametns you can use "stop kick" it is sth simillar to front/low kick)

"Really poor Groundfighting and Throws". Thank you very much for that. It meands that I am on the right tracck, I am not a grappler or MMA practitioner, I practice JKd for self Defendse, if I am attacked on the street. I am quite happy with the little Grappling I know, as far as Throwing, to me Groinkick is the best way to take an aggressor to the ground

"Base on only a few techniques is not good"

If you want to compete it is probabkly not, but don´t you agree that even in competition it is the basics that work Take this example. Judo and Throwing, how many of the hundreds of throws do you see in The Olympics. Not too many do you Do you go around saying that Olympic Judo is is not good when you abviously only see a limited number of all Judo Throws actually working in real application.

"You should Spar with MMA practitioner"

Okey, it was not called MMA in my Glory days, they called themselves Shootfighters. What makes you think that I haven´t.I am quite confident in my abilities, or at least before my braintumor when I could train 100%. I no longer train for the same reasons I did 10 years ago. As you get older you will change your training. winning and prooving your invincibility takes a leser role.

10-20 years ago I would not back down from any challenge beacuse of my insecurity in my own abilities. Sgain, you can call me "over the hill", and old guy with excuses. I hope that it is not simply my Brain tumour, my hip Arthritis, my bad knee, my "old age" that has changed me. I sincerely hope that I have matured, that I now more abourt myself, that i havelearned new values in these 20 years.

I do what I can, with what life has given me. you want to test me, well the only way would be to harass my family, you insult my wife and we will see how my "limited groundfighting skill and few techniques" will do.

take a look at this "Light Training session". I am confident in my physical abuility in spite of evrything life gave me. When it comes to mental strenght, well, lets not go there

/SteFan

Answer my question - Why do you keep Your front arm on the level of your stomach??? Even during bag training??? Why don't You protect with Your guard Your head? I can't understand that.

I must say that from my own experience I know that when sparring with Stefan every move becomes very risky manouver and I am not talking only about attacking I am atalking about moving also and even breathing. I said I know that, but I also felt that.


The matter of the front hand position had been discussed over once in this debate. The reason for this and not classical boxing position of the hand is again the unique structure of JKD. And was designed by Bruce Lee becouse of few things. One of those things is that what he personally stated that from that hand position he can throw wathever punch from whichever angle without telegraphing it and it's hard to notice those punches for the opponent.
But Stefan will give more detailed answer on that for sure.



I have got one question, Why do we ( I and Stefan) have no problem in answering your questions and when we are demanding the answer for ours questions the forum becomes silent?? Quite interesting phenomenon.



Those are just few question which Stefan had asked you to answer:

1. does having many different Fighting Stances illustrate "Simplicity" If so, How?
2. Does mixing many diferent styled represent Simplicity.
3. What kind of techniues illustrates Directnes
4. What did he mean by "non classical"



Soul Reaver you said that there are no FILIPINO MA in JKD that this is only additional. From your replies I conclude that you are from JKD concepts camp. My question is Why Dan Inosanto, Paul Vunak are saying that JKD is a blend of 27 different MA I posted that list so you can check it. There are filipino MA Also there is no relable source to proove that Bruce Lee created JKD by blending those art's there is also no trace of this art's in his personal notes.
Why then Inosanto in video clip says that JKD is mixture of different MA?
On which facts the statement that Bruce Lee looked over 200 Ma and incorporated different techniques from them into JKD?
On what facts, evidences you say that in JKD there are 4 ranges when Bruce Lee talked, wrote only about 3 kinds of ranges in fight?

Those are just some of my questions. I hope that you will answer them as well as Stefan and I answered yours questions


My advice for everyone who so strong criticize Stefan video clip. Why don't you post here clips with you sparring or working out? So we will be able to see and criticize as well how much dedicated and HIGH LEVEL OF ADVANCEMENT in MA if you lile for grappling you are- But of course we are talking about putting JKD sparrings not sparrings on BJJ rules or whatever.



Michal


Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-11-26 16:21:59

Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-11-26 20:50:02

"Answer my question - Why do you keep.."

Probably languade difficulties, "answer my question-....", are you giving me commands

Like Michail said, how about you answering my my questions before i answer yours. How about this, if I give you a reply, can I expect that you give a reply back on anything I ask you.

It is funny, exactly the same attitude as in Norway, Sweden..... I answer queation after question, whenever I ask a question it is always turned back to me
- you are just asking this because you bla, bla, bla...

I never get any replies. Maybe I am stupid to answer everyones question, personally I have no problem answering questions because I know I can, i know that I have facts, videoclips, quotes that will expalin the reason why I have decided to do something in a specific way .Therefore I assume that I don´t get replys to my question because they don´t have any replies, they don´t have an argument to my answer that they feel confident with. To me they are only papertigers hiding behind a computer screen

I am still new on this Forum, I am starting to recognize the attitude, or should i say the ignorance, the papertigers

Why don´t you guys start to show some videoclips on yourselves instead on simply commenting me. Why don´t you guys start answering my question instead of avoiding them. Why don´t you guys proove me wrong.

I haven´t yet made a conclusion about what kind of practical material and experience you guys in poland have to back up your theoretical words on this Forum. But I sencirely hope that you will proove me wrong and you will be presenting a lot of videoclips and answers just to shot this crazy swede up

I definitely have a JKD reason to have this lead hand position, and I WILL explain it, but not tonight

/SteFan

We ( I think that I am not wrong) do not criticize Stefan like a person (that he is slow he colud have batter legs work better punch combinations) BUT JKD as a style :]
now I know that truth JKD is teaching only few people on the world :P
so I can't see in clubs in my or near citys more over videos JKD on youtube are not always JKD videos :P
I do not put my clips beacause I am only learning MMA for sth about 1 year and box BJJ kickboxing and MMA you can see in many clubs in many videos
this is difrence :P
if new (less than 3 years) sudent don0t have guard is very dangerous for him because it is impossible to him to be faster than punches/kicks
we can see that after "punches" the guy who is being punched is falling back he can't stop and fight I am not surprise no one wants has damaged face :P
and for the end knees on more time :P
maybe because I love them they are very usefull and strong/dangerous (on ground too)

PS
Am I so bad too? :>