Ted Wong mówi o Jeet Kune Do- video

As for my lineage:
- Paul Vunak-Michael Gruner - PFS
- Dan Inosanto-Rick Young - JFJKD, FMA, BJJ.
As for JF JKD - I've started my private training with Rick in JF system, not concept because the concept can not be taught...
As I understand what Rick said there are three aspects he will teach me - the kickboxing or long range with on-guard, straight lead and other techniques and structure from this range; trapping (techniques, chisao and wooden dummy) and trapping to grappling (not rolling like bjj techniques).
Cheers

Edit
One more thing. I am Apprentice Instructor in PFS, and I am not an instructor under Rick, only his student. I trained with Rick 4 times during one year (November 2007-November 2008). Two times he was in Poland and two times I was in his academy in Scotland.
So I have nothing to hide ;)

Zmieniony przez - Kenjiro w dniu 2008-11-12 22:24:27

Nie wszystko rozumiem w tej dyskusji,bo nie jestem wybitością w języku angielskim,ale staram się czytać dyskusję.Mam małe pytanie do Michała.Jakie doświadczenie w SW,a tym bardziej w JKD ma żona i córka Bruce'a Lee i na jakiej podstawie stwierdziły iż to właśnie Ted Wong robi JKD najbliższe Bruce'owi Lee?Ciekawi mnie to.

słaby 56: Przecież tu chodzi tylko i wyłącznie o kasę. Bruce wyraźnie mówił, że JKD jest systemem bardzo spersonalizowanym, indywidulnym, on stworzył system pod swoją osobę/posturę/predyspozyje. Śmieszy mnie jeśli ktoś ślepo powtarza to co trenował Bruce, a mierzy np. 2 metry i waży 100 kg. Taka osoba musi wyglądać zaiste komicznie próbując naśladować Bruce'a zamiast adoptować techniki do własnych predyspozycji

Merkavorth, so what I am 21?? I have got students older than me and bigger after different background like Aikido, Kickboxing etc. and they can cope with that Stop making excuses just to for the sake of not taking up the discussion. As for the video clips from youtube, does it matter if video clip shows real capabilities? Again, you must have misunderstood my post, I wrote this is not about who is better or not but to view some facts. For example why do you think that Bruce Lee's art is so limited that it's need to be improved by other martial arts? Why do you think that JKD is a mixture of various martial arts? I am asking this question becouse Inosanto clearly stated that in the movie, if you are representing his approach 1. you should have known that from the beginning 2. You should be able to take up discussion.
If you are saying that I don"t have as much to do as your trainer, again, How you possibly can know that, I can assure you that despite of my young age 21 I have got a lot to do. The same goes with Stefan, but somehow I and him manage to find some time to write on the forum ( despite training everyday).
Anyway if you trainer is so busy, I think that if he has got a time to write on his blog he could be able to write on this forum, but whatever, you are his student so you always can write what is his opinnion.

Kenjiro, maybe you would also take up the discussion. What you have written about your lineage assures me that we are on the same conditions, I mean I can teach on the sema conditions as you, like you said you were training with Rick Young 4 times, Why did you then accused JFJKD of being comecrialized?? I know why you are so polite from some time and you're not attacking me. But I will keep it to myself.

Why don't you write it down on yourwebpages that you aren't instructors?? But still a students?? Just as I am of Stefan Nikander.





Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-11-13 15:28:12

Slaby 56 wrote: What experience in MA has got Linda Lee as well as Shannon to decide that Ted Wong is the closest to Bruce Lee in JKD.


Buczah wrote: Slaby 56 It's all about the money only. Bruce clearly said that JKD is a verz personalized, individual system, he was creating under his predispositions/ posture. It's funny to me when someone is blindly reapeting the same things that Bruce which Bruce had trained and he is 2 meters high and weighs 100 kg. That kind of person must truly look very amusing when trying to reapet Bruce techniques and not adapt it to his own abilities.

Answers are:
Firstly, Linda exactky knew what Bruce Lee's JKD looked like. He was supporting him in his trainings and she saw was Bruce was doing.

Secondary: it's not about the money and it's not about following blindly Bruce Lee's techniques.

JFJKD has it't own unique structure as far as JKD is percieved as Bruce Lee's JKD the one who trains it follow the principles of JKD that Bruce clearly stated. And it's doesn't matter if the guy who trains it is 2 meters high and weighs around 10 kg. JKD is Bruce Lee's scientific approach toward martial arts. He created it for human body as every human has got "two arms and two legs" every human body undergo the same scientific principles and body mechanics.








Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-11-13 15:41:36

My corespondece with Stefan has nothing to do with my opinion about You. It hasn't changed. I still think You are who You are

You read only that part of others posts which You want and which part You want to use with ignoring the rest...
There is my lineage and my grades in JKD, BJJ on my webpage - this is the fact.

You have 5 years of Martial arts experience at all - You had posted here before and asking about bai jong everybody, and asking other instructors for help, writing about Your father (You wrote he is a fool, because he hadn't agree You go to Łódź ) and so on, and so on....
Here You are https://www.sfd.pl/Jeet_Kune_Do-t33048-s8.html

So my opinion about You doesn't changed at all.

Thx Kenjiro for bringing back that topic from 6 years ago.
And that's why Michal Your age DOES matter to me, and to others.
How can You be a teacher to anyone, if 6 years ago You were begging Your father for permission to train in W.A. Academy (by the way, it represents Inosanto Aproach which You ctiticize) when some of us (e.g. me) was already training for some Years.
The most important feature which my instructor need to have is MY RESPECT, how can I respect someone who was learning JKD from books while I was working hard on training in WA academy?



Zmieniony przez - SoulReaver w dniu 2008-11-13 23:00:29

This discussion has turned to be a discussion about Michails age. Maybe I don´t care about his age because I see so much of myself in him, maybe I don´t care about his age beacuse to me it is not about an instructors age, but the knowledge he has that intrests me.

To me jun fan/Ted Wong JKd is very open minded. I believe that one should not be narrowminded because of age, when I teach youngsters and children I would never dismiss anything they say because of their age. If you think Michail is too selfconfident about his age, you should have seen me in his age

I was 22-24 years of age, maybe green belt in Karate and I was asking questions from my Black belt 5th dan instructors they did´t like All I got back was that I was too you, to ignorant to know what I was talking about. was I? Was it wrong for me to question why my years of karate Training had no Chance against friends who had Less Kickboxing training in actual fullContact Training/Sparring. Was it wrong for me to ask them about "skin Touch" and pulling punches, punching in the air kind of training and its efficiency"?

was it wrong for me to question the constant Kihon training in deep Stances and Large blocking/ Punching Movements when Funakoshi sensei said. Low Stances for beginers, High For advanced. Big movements for beginners, small for advanced. was I too young and ignorant to ask these 5th dan masters why they still considered themseelved beginners and the high Stances and small movements used in Kickboxing was more application of Funakoshi Senseis Principles that was thaught at almost every Karate school.

No, I didn´t consider myself too young and ignorant back them. since I took my black belt and left Karate for Good, to practice what I think is following Funakoshi Senseis wisehs for Karate, I have still the same thaughts, I just express them through JKD.

We will just have to see where we are after 15 years in the JKD situation in Poland. I am quite sure that Michail wil have exactly the same point of view on JKD then as he has know, he will just be more refined and perfected his diplomatic and teaching skills just as one does with time. I am sure that many of you on this Forum will have the same point of view. The intresting thing to see is who has changed their point of view, and more importantly, what kind of point of view will the next generation have when they are braught up with "both sides of the JKD Coin"

Could someone please tell me what the last concrete discussion about JKD was about. I am used to this kind of discussion when the facts are not discussed but discussions turned to my personality, and in this Forum, Michails.

Hang in there my friend.

/SteFan

Kenjiro, SoulReaver... Why you didn'y take up the discussion and instead of that you attacked my personally.

To what was going on 6 years ago, well I have only one thing to say back then I was as "naive" as you guys. And If you be so kind to see that I wasn't asking anyone whole 6 six ( not W.A and anyone of you) for 6 years about anything. It was a short fling which didn't last long as I realized what in Poland is going on I asked about on guard which In fact wasn't On guard- That was the time when I was at the beginning of my researches about JKD- when I saw school of W.A who advertised himslef as the ONLY authorized JKD school I belived in it. What's more I attended a long time ago in his seminar in Brodnica- where it showed to me that they in fact aren't doind anything special as his seminar- assistant after years of training with W.A didn't know how to do double stick from low angle. Firstly I tought it was something great- but just becouse I never did see noone else from someother JKD approach- and what was odd to me that W.A orderd to call himslef a "MASTER".

As my reseachers continued I realized that JKD concepts is not what I would like to do, but I found out that JFJKD is what I CRAVE to do. My friend went to UK there he went and stayed at school of Jerry Poteet, that was some kind of twist, he showed me some of the things but still- I felt that this On guard isn't comfortable, that I have open groin area, that moves aren't smooth and that this is more like Wing Chun then JKD. Those things that I wrote asking W.A about On guard and saying that I would like to go to Lodz well I never did that. Why? Becouse I found out who is Stefan Nikander I found out a lot about Ted Wong and I said to myslef- I will be doing this only JKD or no other JKD.


By the way, I feel really sorry for you guys to be blinded only by this JKD concepts approach that you aren't doing any researches about JKD on your own- That you are not questionating those things that are being shown or told to you. This is exaclty what Stefan said when he was at his Karate training period he started to ask uncomfortable questions to his teachers and in reply he didn't got any sensible answer but he was defined to be too young...

After six years you still belive in that kind of stories that Tim Tackett was original student of Bruce Lee, that Dan Inosanto spent most amount of hours training with Bruce, that Ted Wong was honoured by Dan Inosanto with "instructorship degree in JKD"- All those things are simply untrue.


I was back there 15 years old and I was at my "rebellion age" that's why I called my fathers " overprotectivnes" as to being moron.
To understand that approach you fristly must spend a lot of unslept nights, a lot of hours, days, months- thinking only about one detail in JKD on guard and perfecting it in the front of the mirror. You must be able to learn English only to understand what is being written in original Bruce Lee's notes or in English forum, websites, to understand articles, to able to contact someone who is AUTHENTIC JKD instructor like Stefan for example.

That was and still is my apporach toward JKD giving everything from myself to learn TW JKD approach as I consider it as the closest to Bruce Lee's approach- as I consider it to be my goal in life.

If someone of you are dedicated in similar way to learn JKD ( from whoever or whatever approach) then you might be able to uderstand my frustration that my father didn't let me go. But right now I am very thankful to him that he didn't let me go becouse it would be just a "waste" of time.


If I were using parts of others discussions just to write something bad about you- then Kenjiro I think that you are afriad that I will find some of your post about JKD that you have written write it here in English and make you feel ashamed. But now this isn't my goal

My goal here is to put up here a discussion about JKD facts, so please leave your ego outside this forum and if you have something personally to me, you can always visit Brodnica


My question to you is ( Kenjiro, Merkavorth, Soul Reaver): What bites you so much? All I did was put up ( I think a good subject that would be an ingnition point to the whole discussion)like Ted Wong video when he speaks out about JKD and he says that JKD comcepts is not Bruce Lee's art anymore. I was able to defend this approach I was even giving you some facts like letter from Bruce lee to Jerry Poteet, asking you to count Ted Wong and Inosanto name in Bruce Lee's daytimer which is published in book : "The art of Expressing the Human Body". in polsih Sztuka kształtowania ciała.

And only response that I get from you: Kenjiro, Qnick, Buczah was insulting me, trying to put me in a bad light just to avoid the discussion or not makin fool out of yourself like after statement that: Tackett is original student of Bruce Lee, or that Inosanto is not teaching JKD as a mixture of different martial arts- So I gave you some proofs that Tackett isn't and never was Bruce Lee's student, that Inosanto is indeed teaching JKD as a mixture of different martial arts. Then ofcourse I gave you other point of view why I consider that it is not true. Becouse in Bruce Lee's notes about JKD you won't find any refference to 27 different MA- about which you didn't hear but which are openely tought as JKD by Vunak, Balicki. Even I gave you quote from BLEF. After that I got a response from some of you that Linda Lee, Ted Wong can say what they like becouse they don't know what JKD is really about.

Stop hiding and make stupid excuses just to run away from the point of the discussion.

Kenjrio, Soul Reaver I have got only one thing to say: "Only cows doesn't change their opinnion."

And to bringing back the statements when I was a teenager at the very beginning of my JKD journey and researches, and this was Kenjiros answer to the topic, well this is quite pathetic.

That's why you should consider this statement one more time: "Only cows doesn't change their opinnion."


I quess that after explaining this we will peacfully get back to the point of the discussion. Or maybe some of you as a matter of fact that JKD concpets is "whatever you like" likes more some other art like Kali, Muay thai, etc. than JKD, so then It would be another great topic for the discussion.


Michal

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Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-11-14 15:26:53

How come you know my my experience in MA? I have got 7 years in expierience in Martial arts as I don't count my very beginning in Karate. With Karate it is 11 years and I am 21 so around half of my life I am doing Martial arts. In martial arts age really doesn't matter: That's why I was able to conduct training in Doce Pares at age of 17. But I left Doce Pares behind me as to learn new things I had to "empty my cup" and I did it for TW JKD firstly I simply applied those things that I knew, but then I was honoured to be invited on Ted Wong seminar and from that point all began for real.

Why I don't seperate the period of JKD concepts? Those things that I saw on W.A seminar in my city, taped seminar of Frank Burczynski which I able to see, Those things that I have learned from Frans Stroeven? Becouse all of this is more or less MMA or simply Filipino boxing and has nothing to do with Bruce Lee's art,

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