Ted Wong mówi o Jeet Kune Do- video

I am not quite sure if my "braintumour story" will help in any way. but i will give it a try.

when i said michail is in the same situation as me I mean that he stands alone against a "bigger" opponet. the Concepts approach is well established in most peoples oppinion on what is JKD, this is what i mean with "bigger opponent"

facing a "big opponent" there is no room to be nice, understanding bla, bla, bla. you simply have to pu 100% into your beliefs. this is what he is doing, I am quite sure that when things setlle down, when people are starting to establish o more complete, 50/50, point of view on JKD his tone wil be different. it wil be different because there is no risk of him saiyng something positive about Concepts will be misinterpreated. i am quite sure if michail wouls start to back down down now you all would start saying
-well you see, he doesn´t have anything to comment anymore, bla, bla, bla.


Now to my Braintumor. when i was diagnosted with Braintumour i decided right away, actually it only took me a couple of seconds to make a decision. the decision was
- You jumped in the wrong head you mother f....r, you will regret that you decided to grow in my head, you are as good as dead
I struggled through radiation therapy, with nothing but seeing the tumour as the mortal enemy, there was no room to feel sorry for the tumor for all the radiation it received. well, the radiation went good, but there was a area little as my littlefinger nail still active. One year of chemotherapy :) i went on the chemo therapy with the same attitude. I believed in my own ability to survive, i believed in my experience from meeting opponents/challenges before. I gave it 100%. The mother f---r was going to loose this battle.

After about 8 months i was starting to fell quite comfortable with the treatment, all that negative energy, that single minded sicknes to survive and beat the braintumour was no longer needed. i strted to going to the treatment like I was stepping into a sparring session ith a friend. it was a friendly measure of strength and ability to survive. I gave it my all, the tumour gave it its all. I was feeling a respect for my braintumor. Still my soul purpose was to win the fight with him, but I no lionger felt the need to proove myself to my braintumour. The brain tumour also had prooven itselt to me.

To survive the radiation therapy showed that the tumour was as trong thing, just as me. No we were in another struggle, both for survival. We gave it our best. Was I realy doing what I was teaching, morality, respect your opponent etc.

I know that this sound a little bit from "La La land" But something happened, as I started to respect my opponent evrything felt easier. " months before scheduled end of treatment I met my doctor as usual. He told me that there was no more need for therapy/chemo. My heart jumped to my thgroat.
- Is it over, the tumour has won, , I of course wondered.
- No, I can´t understand why, but it seams that the tumour has had enough. It is over.
- i looked at my wife, she was smiling, we had won, we had actualy won

To this day I still wonder if this ws the braintumours way of respectingme, he gave me his life. This is my dream for jkd, that someday we can just talk about JKD, not have to fight each others interpretations and strong beliefs in our chosen method.

This is why I respectMichails efforts, he is struggling aginst a bigger opponent, I just hope that more and more people will stop to se him as "the other opponent", that we wil come to the point that we all truly and openly listen to what we have to say aout our opinons about JKD. No better, no worse, just no Fuss.

/Stefan

The guy W.A wrote:

" Hello,
I have been sitting quietly for a long time and watched about what you mr. Masters are talking about... and I must say one thing- I am embarassed for your behaviour mr. Michal c***** and Buczah- each of you praise your own thing and that is somehow understandable, but damn don't insult those persons about which you wrote just becouse you were on the seminar with one or another. Each of them Guro Inosanto, Ted Wong, Erik Paulson, Ron Balicki, Larry Hartsell, Michal c*****, Stefan, or me deserves to be treated with something that calls respected- Morons.

It's said that martial arts teach about respect and lead to the illumination- how shame that you have forgotten about it.

I send kind regards and leave quietly before someone will try a stone or insult me.

By the way- it's a pity that when there was a time you didn't ask about those important things sifu Bustillo- heroes. "


W.A, look my goal in this disucssion as well as Stefan is not insult anybody or showing disrespect to anybody. We are clearly stating the arguments, facts, evidences that are standing for our point of view.

Dissaproval to "the common misconception" that Bruce took many different things from different martial arts into his repertoire does not mean disrespect.

Look at the first site of the discussion? Who firstly showed disrespect toward Stefan? It was representative of Rick Young- Kenjiro.

You, W.A announced Tim Tackett as an original student of Bruce Lee, isn't that little disrespectful for real original Bruce Lee's students?

On one of the forums which is made by your students I read, Jeet Kune Do is a mix of different martial arts, a very useful mix. Then on Kenjiro website I read that Bruce Lee looked over 200 martial arts with Dan Inosanto took "the best" techniques out of them and put into JKD. All that I did was say that I represent different point of view and I presented that point of view. Where did I show disrespect? By questionating your knwoledge about JKD? I am sure that you have read Paul Vunak book "Jeet Kune Do concepts" and Ron Balicki book " JKD- the Ultimate fighter" ( Don't remember the exact title). There they both states that JKD is a blend of 27 different martial arts which list I have posted here on forum. It was odd to me that people who represent your camp- JKD concepts never heard about that before.

Next, Stefan and I wondered why there are no Polish guy on list of Inosanto international instructors as some of people in Poland claim to be. You said that you are instructor under Dave Carnell, Inosanto, Hartsell, but on their webpages your name isn't listed and no other man from Poland is listed in the international instrcutor list column. Was that insulting or disrespectful?

I was presenting my point of view. Buczah camed out with a statement" Ron Balicki would tie Ted Wong like a shoe lace". The I gave him funny and allegorical comparison- Ron Balicki "shit" and Ted Wong "food". Those are just allegorical words which are supposed to give some point of view And if you read it with understanding you will realize that by this comparison I didn't show disrespect to Balicki.

About Bustillo seminar, you were the host so if you noticed that no one is asking about such important matter why didn't you said: " Mr. Bustillo, why don't you tell us about 27 differnt martial arts in JKD" ?

You said that when was the opportunity you might have asked Bustillo on seminar....

First of all, I didn't attend in that seminar becouse of obvious reason I train the JKD that I have ever dreamt to train and I am enough fortunate to learn it from the people from whom I have always dreamt to learn JKD- Ted Wong, Stefan Nikander. I feel that I have found the right path, that I have finally found what I have been looking and dreamt ever since. It's Jeet Kune Do that is being thought by Ted Wong and Stefan Nikander. And about those questions that I have asked... I didn't ask them becouse I don't know answer for them. I asked to check what you- concepts guys will asnwer.

By far you none of you have answered


By the way in my opinnion what Richard Bustillo is teaching is more Jun Fan Gung Fu oriented than JKD. But I might be wrong

I am honoured that I may call Stefan Nikander my older JKD brother and I am even more honoured that he calls me his younger JKD brother. Stefan had trained with all of the original Bruce Lee students. As soon as I will put the video of my visit to him, it will be a good evidence that I am saying truth about his enormous knowledge about JKD.

By the way( W.A) one of your students who seem to be an isntructor under you, has got on his webpage an articles of Burton Richardson from concepts approach along with such person as Ted Wong and Taky Kimura but he is saying in his articles and statements that JKD is just an idea and that it's an "incorporation" of many techniques in one and that it takes partially some elements from every system. While it's obvious that he doesn't know a thing about what Ted Wong JKD approach look like and what Taky Kimura is teaching.
IN MY OPINNION THIS IS SHOWING A GREAT DISRESPECT TO THEM AS WHAT TED WONG TEACH AND WHAT TAKY KIMURA TEACH TOTTALY DIFFERS FROM JKD that is being thought by Dan Inosanto and you W.A said that he is your main influence as you are trained under Frank Burczynski, right.

Again on your webpage I can read articles of such people like Jerry Poteet, again what he is teaching is also different from JKD concepts. WHY DO I KNOW THAT? Becouse Stefan had trained with Taky Kimure and Jerry Poteet as well.

So when it comes to my personal questions about JKD I am asking them to my opinnion the best ones possible: Stefan and Ted Wong.

Those question that I stated on forum to you concepts are ( as you can notice) more like : " Don't you think so?" or " Why do think that? If the facts are..." or " Can you give me some facts to back up your statements?".

Now you understand why I'd asked that questions to you?

Why do I call you Polish "masters of JKD"? Becouse on yourwebpages is written " THE MASTER OF THE SCHOOL". So if you are "the masters" I don't want to call you in inapropriate way.

By the way, you answer W.A was just like I presume that is: Make a little "fuss" so we won't strict to the subject, couple of personal attacks, and that's it. Avoiding answering the questions, hope that this topic will end as soon as possible. As a matter of fact by calling names like you did " MORONS" didn't you show disrespect toward me? And earlier you wrote that each of us deserve to be treated with respect? Why do you contradict your own statements?


I would like to underline that here in this topic Stefan and I don't say this is better this is worse, or he is better he is worse. We are trying to discuss about JKD without a fuss. Stefan posted comparison video of JKD concepts and Ted Wong JKD approach, I have posted few passages of the foreword given by Ted Wong to the " Bruce Lee commentaries on martial arts" book and compared them to words of Bruce Lee from the very same book.
What I asked was why don't we do the same with the Inosanto statements about JKD- that's where silence from your "concepts guys" side has bagun.


It's funny how you guys answer the posts it's exactly like Stefan said that no matter where every JKD concepts guys reacts in the same way when he is aksed to answer few questions.
Now we are on the stage where you guys are in brief saying: " Why do you insult Inosanto, Why do you disrespect what he is teaching, I won't continue this discussion becouse you are insulting Inosanto, you are following blindly what Bruce Lee thought, Ted Wong is not only one in JKD etc."

When I asked why do you guys consider that Inosanto is the one who really understood JKD, while to me everything what he is doing is contrary to what Bruce Lee tried to obtain. What do I hear? " Why do you are showing disrespect to Inosanto".

Stefan and I are giving bare facts, bare statements, bare evidences. Can't you do the same? You can't say that we didn't ask about them.




Michal


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"Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me"

I think you can write all the facts you want Michail, but they will never take it "in". I know you have som good videomaterial from your visit to sweden. I also know that you have some eproblems with your videoediting program. What i will do is make some clips from your stay and post it in You tube if it is okey. I will of course not know what you are saying on the clips since you speak in polish,

For all I know you might be saying
-well here I am in Sweden with this assho.... Stefan and trying out his bulls... jun fan7Ted wong JKD

This way people on the forum wil get a better picture of your credentials and from what and where you are basing your statements. I will try to have something up by the end of the day, but you know me. Now downstais for a couple of hours training, I have a couple of training equipment to Finnish for some ideas i have for a new jun fan /ted wong JKD clip, I have to pick up my daughter from school, make dinner, help her with her homework, make sure she brushes her teeth, bedtime story. I hope you don´t mind if you are not my first priority

/steFan

That's a great idea. It will be great!!! This video "Windows Movie Maker" is really going on my nerves. I am so thankful Stefan.

I thought that your story, about braintumor will be understood somehow as it perfectly depicts my attitude and what's more important it's showing your determined attitute which is what I am looking for in my life....







This video clip is tremendous. Did you read the comment below one of yours clips? "You're like a Rocky Balboa" :D
As a matter of fact the very often soundtrack from "Rocky" acompanies your workout in the clips





Michal



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Hopefully the clip will automatically enclose on the Forum, otherwise it is found on my YTou Tube adress

Hopefully this will result in other people sharing theit backgraound and experience in JKD.

When watching this clip I still feel the same adrenaline as when I was stepping into Stefans private training quarters and his gym. It was a great honour to meet his family and learn from him privately.

You can hear how my voice is unstable when I am talking. This is becouse I was speechless and so taken aback that I didn't know what to say first. I felt like I got to the "JKD paradaise". I have always dreamt to train with Stefan and see those things on my own eyes. I was in the state when I was realizing that this all I that I dreamt about is becoming real.


That hardcore JFJKD experience, I remember my ass kicked in the sparrings the fitness training, That was hardcore. And I remember the pain in muscles the day after .



Stefan I am very grateful to you that you have posted this clip. My "Widnows Movie Maker" is outdated I quess. That's why I will get new tottaly different programme to put the clips that I have prepared.



I quess that this clips speaks by itself. And even people who don't understand Polish can witness tremendous dedication of Stefan to Jeet Kune Do and his knwoledge about Bruce Lee's art. I am very fortunate and grateful that I am his JKD brother.

Michal

I would say that this was one of the first steps to understand JKD. What you felt when you met ted for the first time was probably 100 times more excitement.

It was the same for me over 12 years ago. What I soon realized is that Ted was just another Human being, and he never gave us anything else. this was of course completely different from what I had seen in karate, Wing Tsun etc. it was even quite diferent from the Concepts seminars I had visited.

What I had experienced before was this "bigger than God attitude". those who organized semenars with larry hartsell made Larry out to be something out of this world, by his introduction, the way they presented him. To me the attitude was no different than all the big seminars with hundreds and hundreds of students "worshipping" a 8 degree greta grandmaster from Japan.

With ted it was different, and I hope that your stay with me made it clear what Jun fan/ted wong JKD is all about. Technically, mentally, physically, socially, spiritually. I see a dirrence in many JKD approaches. I have come to love Jun fan/Ted Wong JKD because it is a "down to earth", serious and a total martial art.

I truly hope that people wil see this on the clip, and I definitely hope that it would show if they met ted in reality. What You and I can do is simply try our best to spread the spirit of Bruce Lee through Jun fan/Ted Wong JKD. Hopefully in 30 years people will speak as warmly about me as I speak about my teacher, as he speaks about his teacher. This way the "spirit of JKD".....technically, physically, soacially, spiritually...."will live for ever".

I am looking forward to some comments and som personal insights from other JKD instructors.

/SteFan

Exactly, well said Stefan. It's hard not to feel the excitement when working with Ted Wong or you. But it's great to be aware that : "Hey, you are just like me, I can be just like you". This is the motivation that push me to train harder, and more often. Becouse I know that it's possible to achieve your or Ted Wong "level" if I put myself in the same kind of routine and train the same amount of hours with the same effort.

This is a great motivation for training. Even here on forum people said, there is no need to train like Bruce as he was someone extraordinary.

Put in reality he was just a human nothing something supernatural. I always keep in mind what Ted Wong had once said: " Don't expect to have Bruce Lee-like results if you don't spent the same amount of time on training".



I was wondering about one thing, Stefan you and I gave some facts, gave some evidences, gave agruments why do we percieve JKD in that and not other way etc.


How about now concepts guys give back the same? As the ball is now in their corner... how about they explain why do they percieve JKD in that and no other way for example they said that JKD is MMA of late 70s, why do they think so? Can they bring some evidences, why do they think so? So quotes statements etc so we can compare them to what Bruce Lee was saying? Concepts guys- You said that Dan Inosanto is the one who really understood JKD, can you bring some evidences that we can compare it to what Bruce Lee was actually doing and saying about JKD? What I mean is can you concepts guys explain why do you think that and not other way? Why do you consider development by adding techniques from other styles? To me that means being stuck in "classocal mess"? Why do you do it if Bruce wasn't adding techniques from different MA into his repertoire?

Can you comment on that concepts guys?



Michal

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Okey, I found something very interesting on youtube.

I said that if you concepts guys won't start to give for example what Inosanto says about JKD and compare it to Bruce Lee words. I will start to do it

I found this on youtube.






What is Inosanto saying? He trained with Bruce JKD in 1964, very interesting Bruce came with JKD name in 1967. But despite this fact what he is saying is that JKD is a concept and that it's about utizlizing many different MA and take the essence from it. So can you tell me know that Inosanto is not saying that JKD is a blend of many different martial arts? It's very interesting that the material shown is filipino martial arts not JKD.

Here is Vunak video:



Isn't this an evidence of seeing JKD as mixing styles?

here is another one:






Now didn't Bruce wrote that every punch and kick start and end in the On guard? Where is the onguard here in the last video for example? I ask where is the structure?

Nowe let's get back to what Ted Wong stated about JKD, do you remember his video? Please look through those video clips of Stefan Nikander that he had posted here.

Now do you see the difference? Which approach is more resembling with what Bruce Lee was doing?

here are some examples














Do you remember Ted Wong foreword from book "Bruce Lee JKD commentaries on martia arts". Do you remember what have been written on BLEF website? Do you remember Bruce Lee's letter to Jerry Poteet where Bruce didn't allow to mix someother martial art with JKD? Do you remember what Bruce Lee said about constantly adding new technques- the quote from "Bruce Lee JKD commentaries on martial arts"?

Now I am very curious if you JKD concepts guys are able to present your point of view on the similar way to tell me how wrong Stefan and I are .


P.S

If some of you have problems to understand what is being here written by Stefan or me just write it and I will translate it;).




Michal




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Very proffessional presentation of facts. I can only hope that the silence on the forum means that more and more people are starting to "find the cause of their ignorance" and taking in what is being writen.

Not to come to a conclusion that this is better than that etc, simply look att JKD from another point of view and making a decision based upon facts and logic, for themselves.

/SteFan