Ted Wong mówi o Jeet Kune Do- video

Michal
All this is about that you wrote sth like "JKD is better than JKD conceps because Bruce have made this"
Bruce - guy who has never won anything in turnaments he is faomus only thanks to movies (JKD is so popular too)
truth is that JKD conceps is better/usefull than JKD because it is modern and made for "our times" (e.g. better grappling)
answer that guys after JKD don't win turnaments because they can't use some punches/kicks is not a justification
Thais can't use elblows but they start and win in K1
in MMA fighters don't fight in Gi but guys after BJJ start and win
attack eyes/genitals can everyone(not only JKD fighters)

Michal sorry but you are wrong unfourtunately for you
about cows you should read twice...

I didn't say JKD is better than JKD concepts becouse Bruce made this. What I said was that JKD concepts isn't Bruce Lee's art anymore and even that it is even closer to Russian Martial arst than to Bruce Lee's art. After that I said that Ted Wong is said to be the purest strain of JKD- the closest to Bruce Lee, that this is authentic Bruce Lee's teachings. What I have also add is that from know on people have the opportunity to train it as I am the only guy in Poland who represents TW JKD through Stefan Nikander and that in Brodnica trainings wil start very soon. Anyway that was and is my aim.

After that you started to ask why then people from JFJKD doesn't compete in UFC and tournaments like that. I gave you the answer, Stefan gave you the answer, and you are still in the same spot as you was just becouse those answers aren't those which you have expected.

So as for cows... you know what to do

Michal

Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-11-14 15:57:55

So you think that JKD concepts is better becouse and fit to our modern times just becouse it has grappling? I mean does anyone in the street when you fight on hard surface is using grappling? In tournaments yes, In street I doubt it.

My question is why JKD concepts people say that JKD is whatever you want and is a mixture of 27 MA which I have listed. If there are no relable source no trace that Bruce incorporated techniques from many different MA to his repertoire?

JKD has it own unique structure, some of you admitt that, so what is the structre in JKD concepts where 27 different MA blends? What's more JKD is non-classical how can JKD concepts be non classical if it's reffering to 27 different however classical martial arts?

I expect that people who say to represent JKD concepts will be able to explain it to me as my opinnion is completely different


Michal

Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-11-14 16:34:11

You didn't write exacly(JKD is better than JKD conceps) but meaning was the same
this is reason of quarrel
Stefan gave me a little bit diffrent answer than you (I am in the same spot because your's answers don't change anything they only convinced me in this spot)
you wrote sth like JKD conceps is only name and this has nothing connected to Bruce's JKD and "this" name is made only for $ (beacuse it sounds better)

In my opinion those are reaons of quarrel of course I can be wrong

I only wanted to know why JKD fighters don't fight in turnaments and why style made by guy who is so popular only thanks to movies should by effective

I quess that Stefan gave you very similar answer as I did. From my answer and from Stefan asnwer you can strictly conclude that JKD practicioners doesn't compete in the torunaments becouse of the regulations.

I wrote that JKD concepts is comercialized version of Bruce Lee's art and said that to me you may train Muay that combined with whatever you like, but why to hide under JKD name?

JKD is effective- Have you ever trained JKD?



Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-11-14 16:43:07

Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-11-14 16:49:43

Michał:
"If you are saying that I don"t have as much to do as your trainer, again, How you possibly can know that, I can assure you that despite of my young age 21 I have got a lot to do. The same goes with Stefan, but somehow I and him manage to find some time to write on the forum ( despite training everyday).
Anyway if you trainer is so busy, I think that if he has got a time to write on his blog he could be able to write on this forum, but whatever, you are his student so you always can write what is his opinnion."

If you would ever read anything carefully, you would realise that the blog is >1 year old. It was designed only for the time of Robert's journey and was ran by one of the students, who travelled with him. And yes, I know that you have less to do than Robert, because as for now I haven't met anyone, who had more. I end my pointless discussion with you, I grew tired with you.

Stef-x, kto powiedział, że trenujący w jkd nie walczą w turniejach? Zapraszam na turniej Muay Thai (z równoległym seminarium Paula Słowinskiego) gdzie będą walczyć moi koledzy z klubu, również jeden z asystentów trenera



Zmieniony przez - Merkavoth w dniu 2008-11-14 17:25:46

Merkavorth Your explanation "I have never met anyone who has"- is very childish don't you think so ?

Why don't you take up the discussion, Why is it such a problem for you?

Kenjiro, You said- " I know Who You are etc." Man you don't even know me. If we are looking back then, you were proclaiming some time ago that you are instructor under Roy Harris, I remember when you announced that you will show up on Polish Championships in Doce Pares but you never showed up. I remember when you said that Stefan is wrong. Also on some other forum you were strongly criticized by people who complained that you are misusing your function as moderator there, and you don't follow the rules of the forum but strictly ban those people who are simply doing the same what you do. Also you are the one who said that Dan is the one who is most knowledgable man in JKD. When someother person said that in Poland people aren't doing JKD but freestyle as there is no one who is listed on Inosanto Academy international instructors list. This reassures me what kind of man you are as well as WHO YOU ARE.

I quess that you are afraid of loosing your positon of "knowing everything in JKD" which you made by yourself. You said that Dan Inosanto isn't teaching JKD as a mixture of different MA, why don't you take up the discussion what do you have to say after watching that video clip with Dan posted by me? Could you comment on those 27 different arts? Which in your opinnion didn't exist by now. Now we have everything on plate, I was waiting to do this till this moment soe everyone could realize WHO YOU ARE

And don't worry I will put some links where you are stating that. When I find sometime to do that. Or maybe some of the posts will be deleted....

Till now I and Stefan don't know why his first post was earesed from forum....


Kenjiro, Anwyay, very soon, that is soon enough, some event will take place, then we will see how much loyal are you, do you really have so strong faith in right of JKD concepts and Do you really have no doubts about the fact that JKD concepts might be not Bruce Lee's art anymore and that Ted Wong JKD approach might be the closest to Bruce Lee's JKD. Time will show and then I will have unquestionable proof. Anyway, maybe this is why you searched for me on naszaklasa? But you are too "proud" to admitt right to 21 year old so you tried to go other way round. As I said time will show who is loyal and who is like a mere puppy who runs wherever the bone is being thrown and want only to advertise himslef through others names
Time will show

To conclude I will say one thing, from Stefan I learned not only JKD but a lot about life the proverb: "What goes around comes around" really happens in life. So, anyway the truth will be on the surface sooner or later- Time will show.


Michal

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Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-11-15 12:35:38

I don´t know so much of what has been going on between you all before I started knowing Michail. Therefore I will not comment on what you are discussing.

Michail is mentioning a lot of discussions that were made before I got involved. If you are not saying anything concret I will assume that he is right. If you don´t answer, I assume therefore that all the ignorant statements about tim tacket being a Brucelee student, ted Wong receiving a honourable JKD certificate from Inosanto and all the other self made facts about JKD that has been spread in Poland is true.

All I am looking for is a discusssion without "fuss". My experience from discussions i sweden, Norway, and now poland is that too many in the JKD world don´t want to discuss different approaches to JKD. They always hide behind statements like "discussing oppinions is just making a fuss about JKD, and Bruce Lee said jkd is just....."

To me the "discussions"/answers I get when looking for a open discussion about JKD is starting to look more and more like the "Spanish Inkvisision". The Chatolic Church was so afraid too loose their Power that they started punishing anyone who dared to question their beliefs. This is what I see in JKD, someone is so afraid about to loose their power in JKD that they are blindly attacking any belief in JKD that challenges their beliefs.

Again, I am talking from personal experience. I am starting to see a definite structure in the JKd Concepts mentality. They don´t want to have their point of view challenged. Challenged might be the wrong word to choose, a Closeminded, not willing to change attitude would describe what i meet better.

dan Inosanto is this and that, Just listen to Rick Tuchi in he interview. Even Concepts instructors was offended by his desperate attitude, constantly saying, "you are the only one..." your are the one with most...."

Just because I prefer the Jun fan approach and see Ted Wong as the most knowledgable teacher in Bruce Lee´s art, and don´t praise the Concepts apptoach and Inosanto all the time, doesnt meen I don´t want to discuss what Concepts and inosanto are representing. I do go around saiyng That Inosanto has another interpretation that I have about JKd, That Concepts is this or that. I simply want to emphasize that we have our own personal favouorites in JKD, and we should be proud of that.

When it comes to critizicing, or have oppinions on something I always say that I have earned the right to critizice, have an oppinion. I gave Karate 7 years, recieived a Black belt,quit Karate because I felt it was bullshit when it came to what I was looking for in a method. This gives me the right to have an oppinion, to be critical about Karate, doesn´t it

The same with JKD. I gave 4 years to attending seminars, Training kali, Silat. Then I decided that this was Bullshit to what my oppinion what JKD is all about. This gives me the right to have an oppinion about JKD Concepts

How about all of you that Critize Jun fan/ted Wong JKD? How many hours of training, seminars etc do you have with this approach. Have you earned the right to critizice it as i base my critique on Concepts. I can just take Scandinavia as an example. ted Wong has been for 12 years to sweden, I have never seen anyone of all the people in scaandinaivia who ceitizice what I do on a seminar. When I give seminars, not one of them has been a one of my seminars.But they all know exactly how misguided and wrong I am

Miachail is saying that he has trained with you JKd Concepts Guys. Is he lying? Is he completely without knowledge what you are teahing in the Concepts approach in Poland ? How about you who are critizicing his choice to prefer Jun fan/ted Wong approach. have you trained with him, have you Trained with ted wong?. Have you earned the right to criticize him?

I would be more that happy to come to Poland and give you this oppurtunity to criticize what we are doing. Just get together and choose a date and place for a seminar and I wil be there.

/SteFan

I am so in!!!!!







One more thing, Kenjiro I read article about evolution of JKD on your website. And you signed under it so I quess you know and you are confident enough to stand for what you have written there.

You wrote that Bruce Lee and Dan Inosanto looked through over 200 different martial arts and saw that all of them have got some techniques which make them effective. Then you wrote that On that Bruce created 4 ranges of fighting
(boxing,trapping,kicking,grappling). And there you add that on conditions of those ranges he choose from different martial arts those techniques which were effective in particular range and you gave examples that in boxing range he chose most of boxing techniques as they seemed to be most effective and that in kicking range he chose techniques from Muay Thai etc. Also you said that after Bruce Lee passed away Dan Inosanto his closest student and friend was the one who is responsible to carry on JKD and develop it.

These are your words, so my question is what was your source to write that kind of things??

Michal

Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-11-15 14:31:01

To me it is actually quite scary to read about facts like "200 styles.." and all the other "facts" that is being present around the world about Bruce Lee and his JKD.

Sometimes it is just ridicilous. in the book Dan Inosanto, The man, the teacher the artist, the author states that Dan had 2000 private lessons with Bruce

2000 wait a minute, 365 days in a year, this would suggest taht he had a private lesson every day for 6 years. He met Bruce in 1964, he went to hong Kong 1970? How com we see dans name only once during a 2 month period in bruce Lee´s diaries? dan was teaching 2 nights a week for Bruce and three night for ed parker, he was already "studying Eskrima with eskrima instructor..... but he had time to have 2000 trainingsessions with Bruce

This is the reason people trash Michail and me so much on Forums. We bring up facts that people don´t want to read.

I my collection I have many of the same books Bruce lee had, and made notes from. Scetches and notes you can read in the tao of.. etc. The intresting thing is too see what he read, what he did,´t choose to use for his JKD.

Take the Book "Asian Fighting arts from 1969. A lot of pictures that Bruce scetched from this book. The Book consists information about the Philippine Martials arts, Indonesian silat, Muay Thai. What I find intresting is why he did not research this more? Why did he go Toward the Fencing, Boxing, simple approach instead?

Then one can also consider, what does it tell about Inosantos approach since he obviously loves these styles that Bruce lee studied but chose not to put toomuch effort into it. Wait, sure, he put Kali into his movies, that was what he thought it was good for.

Yes, Michail states a lot of facts, but like me he not only researches what Bruce Lee did, he researches the stuff he researched to get there. So, how about it. Where are your sources to all the facts you are claiming about ted being Inosantos honourable student etc.

Maybe it is like when one listen to dan Inosanto, larry Hartsell and other concepts instructor. There is always "no one around" when Bruce Lee thaugt them this or that, said this or that to the about what JKD is or is not. It was alwasy "private Training, with no one else around". How fortunate for them It must have been so private that Bruce didn´t even put it in his day time diaries. It must have been so private that he didn´t even film anything like he did with private students such as Ted and James Coburn

/SteFan