Ted Wong mówi o Jeet Kune Do- video

The guy, who Stefan spoke is me. I am in Scotland for week now, and I was on Guru Dan Inosanto seminar (no one from mentioned Polish instructors attended - only me) and I am training in Rick Academy and I am training with Rick privately as well.
I am going to one of my privates right now so I need to go...
See You in Poland on Ron's seminar...

I don't agree with Merkavorth, that this discussion will remain silent etc.
If those people are brave enough to advertise themsleves on their webpages, why don't they talk about it on the forum.

Honestly, it's not such a great barrier of language that this discussion is in English, we live in the century of internet so anyone who is able to read this forum he is able also to enter the dictionary which is widely avaible in internet and translate this discussion on his own. If you are able to translate English websites about JKD to Polish what is the problem in understanding what is being said in this discussion.

It would be great to work out Stefan seminar in Poland, I hope that this day will come, and will come very soon. This would surely sort some ( a lot) thing out about JKD and ofcourse it would be great event and honour to quest Stefan and show him so famous polish hospitality.

Sincerely,

Michal

Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-11-11 14:48:38

Stefan why you or your students don't start in turnaments like MMA?

Kenjiro, I suspect you are realy enjoying yoyur Stay. Like I thought, You have no problem taken up the discussion your are claiming on your Web Page. Enyoiy your stay and I am looking Forward to discussing JKD with you when you are back in Poland and can give 100% to that.

I am quite sure that you give 100% to something else this week than reading all this "bullshit" that takes on in the Internet world.

Why we don´t compeet ion MMA? Is,´t that obvoius. we would get our asses kicked When we spar in JKD we allow groin kicks, we allow groingrabbing and whatever comes to mind.

Sure, to understand MMA we are more than glad to take some beating according to the MMA rules. But what would you think if we were to take part in MMA competitions.

1. we would either be disqualified since we cheat

2. we would loose and everybody would be writing how bad JKD is.

No, I prefer to do what I always did before my Braintumours. I nevr backed down from anyone wanting to sparr with me. The Rules were quite simple. First we did a couple of rounds according to their rules (no this and ni that, and definitely do not go there...bla, bla, bkla,)

The fact is that after those few rounds most people did not then go a couple of rounds with my JKD approach ro sparring. What does that tell you.

About my JKD sparring. If you don´t have a grilled head guard, groinprotector anf very thin Gloves. You spar with anything goes. If the groin is open you use moderate force in the graoin kick. You pinch and grab groin if you ca. If you have graoin gurads and cant touch the groin, a tap on the groin guard indicated that maybe you should rethink your JKD sparring Strategy. If you can reach and grab the grill on the headgurad that I can get to your eyes. If you dpn´t get that armloch or whatever your plan is when I have a good grip on the headguard, we let go and put getting the hand of the grill as first priority.

Some people attend tournaments, but I would never say that they are using JKD, and they are defenitily not put 100% of the training to be able to fight with JKD.

This is just typical JKD thinking that has been around for 30 years. My truth is not youre truth. Bruce obviously didn´t like compettetion because of the limitatio they have for self defense. I I would prefer Tournament competition before self defense I would train MMA or whatever. I would defenitely not say
"-well this is my personal JKD, and I like tournaments, so I am representing Bruce lee and JKD in this tournamnet.

Again, this is just my oppinion. I know that Eric paulsson has won UFC and done very wel in competitione. But then again, he is not one of my favourite JKd instructors. Grappling and MMA, sure, he is a great imnspiration. But JKD, he doesnt turn me on

/SteFan

Kenjiro
"The guy, who Stefan spoke is me. I am in Scotland for week now, and I was on Guru Dan Inosanto seminar (no one from mentioned Polish instructors attended - only me) and I am training in Rick Academy and I am training with Rick privately as well.
I am going to one of my privates right now so I need to go...
See You in Poland on Ron's seminar..."

Wow, it appears you're not alone there as a polish guy

There is a lot of Polish at Rick's Academy. I think about 6-7 of them, and now with us - 10...:)
There is a lot of other nationalities like Austrian, Italian, Spanish...
I have only two classes left before I leave (tommorow) to Poland: kickoboxing class and JKD class.
Take care

Ok, so this is how the JKD in Poland looks like:

Inosanto, Rick Young- Kenjiro- JKD concepts

Dan Inosanto- Robert Karpiński- JKD concepts

Inosanto, Larry Harstell,Eric Paulson, Frank Burczynski- W.A- JKD concepts

Ted Wong, Stefan Nikander- Michal c*****- JFJKD


This is the situation of JKD in Poland I quess.

One more thing, Merkavroth, who had said that I have no students? My question is how can you possibly know that? Just becouse I don"t have offical webpage with the video clip which would follow the "market principles" that you talked about it doesn't mean that I have no students. As a matter of fact here in Brodnica I have got couple of regular "students" and some of "from time to time studenst" who train with me, one of them is a big fan of MMA and he was learning JKD at W.A school some time ago, when he saw the "original JKD" he said that by that moment he thought he was doing JKD, but when he saw what I am doing he realized that he was doing Vale Tudo and MMA.


Michal

Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-11-12 10:04:43

Unfortunately the instructors list on Inosantos web page is not Complete. I only found 8 persons listed as "international instructors". This is exactly what I mean, we need to start presenting who we represent. This makes it possible to anyone who is thinking about joining a JKD scholl to check the instructours credability before contacting them.

As for know I am satisfied with there is at least one second generation instructor in Poland such as me and Rick Young, Eric Paulson, tim Tacket etc.

I think the picture about who is who is starting to clear out for me. The next step would be to see ehat we all represent. Are thre any clips on You Tube from any of the polish JKD instructors that some one could put up on this Forum and we could start comparing similarities.This would probably give a better picture of the different lineages there are in JKD.

/SteFan

Now, this is the movie which I found on youtube.com it' from late 80 and was broadcasted in BBC. Anyway, here Dan Inosanto is CLEARLY STATING that JKD is a mixture of different martial arts ( whatever martial arts).- By the way in this clip you can see young Chris Kent so he wasn't Bruce Lee's student as well as Tim Tackett who belonged to the same training group.

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I made an effort and search those "whatever martial arts" list those 27 arts about which Ron Balicki and Paul Vunak are claming that Bruce Lee incorporated to his JKD.

1.Wing Chun
2.Northern Praying Mantis
3.Southern Praying Mantis
4.Choy Li Fut
5.Tai-Chi Chuan (Wu Family style)
6.Paqua
7.Hsing-I
8.Bak-Hoo Pai (White Crane)
Bak-Fu Pai (White Tiger)
9.Eagle Claw
10.Ng Ga Kuen (Five Family System)
11.Ny Ying Ga (Five Animal System)
12.Bak Mei Pai (White Eyebrow)
13.Northern Shaolin
14.Southern Shaolin
15.Bok Pai
16.Law Horn Kuen
17.Chin Na
18.Monkey Style
19.Drunken Style
20.Western Fencing (Foil)
21.Western Boxing
22.Western Wrestling
23.Jiujitsu
24.Escrima
25.Filipino Sikaran
26.Muay Thai (Thai Boxing)
27.Kali

What I ask you is before you start to attack me etc and say that I am so narrow minded and THAT THERE IS NO RELIABLE SOURCE TO TELL THAT BRUCE WASN'T INCORPORATING MANY DIFFERENT ARTS INTO JKD PLEASE READ REST OF THIS POST.

On Bruce Lee's Foundation website there is clearly stated: "JKD (and JFJKD) is not a compilation or combination of 26 different styles. There is a common misconception that becouse Bruce Lee looked into many different kinds of martial arts, he incorporated them into his repertoire. Rather, as a martial artist, Bruce Lee was interested in other martial arts and in particular interested in examining their limitations and weaknessess."

[...]" In reality two arts heavily influence the art of JFJKD aside from Wing Chun- western boxing and fencing". If you read the published volumes of Bruce Lee's own notes, you wil find no reference to or evidence for "26 different arts in any of Lee's peronal notes. Rather, JFJKD is an unto istelf with it's own unique techniques and methodology".


Now, remember what Stefan and I wrote you earlier in all of Bruce's 6000 pages of notes you won't find anyother arts besides reffering to Wing Chun, Boxing, Fencing. Remember that in Bruce's librabry most of the books about martial arst where about fencing. That JKD has got it's own unique structre.




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Keep in mind, simplicity, directness, non-classical.



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This is a good point to start over a discussion and remember I am not saying here what's better or not. This is not the point of discussion. The point is about brnging some facts about Bruce Lee's authentic teachings, explain some misunderstandings and say what Bruce Lee's JKD is.

I personally stay for that Ted Wong JKD is the closest to Bruce Lee's original teachings and I say that what Ted Wong is teaching are the Bruce Lee's authentic teachings. I am confident in what I am writing as well as Stefan is and he and I we are ready to defend every word that Ted Wong had said in the posted video above.

I expect that you who represent JKD concepts \- Inosanto approach will be also confident to explain me why do you consider that Bruce Lee's JKD needs to be improved by other martial arts and why do you think that JKD is a mix of many different martial arts? Becouse I would say that JKD is rather scientific approach toward martial arst than mixture of many different martial arts.

Now you have both sides of the coins Stefan and I who stands for Ted Wong JKD approach and some of you guys who stand for the righteous of JKD concepts.


Michal


Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-11-12 15:32:12

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Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-11-12 16:27:17

I'm still not convinced that you tube clips will be a reliable source to discuss. The same way as your clip (the one michal shown on the very begining of this topic) does not represent your true and full capabilities (that's why narrow minded regarded it "lame"), other clips do not represent other people's full range of technique and fitness.

Michal, I realised you don't have students from some early posts saying you're 21 and you plan to start classes in Brodnica. Apart from the truth, I really doubt you have as much to do as Robert Karpinski.