Napoj po treningu

Witam.Czy po treningu nadaje sie szejk bialko+glukoza? czy to marny zestaw i lepiej zakupic carbo?

//ah i jeszcze jedno:).Aktualnie wrzucam owsianke do młynka , miele ja , wrzucam do szejkiera , mieszam i wypijam z bialkiem.Czy z ta owsianka sie tam nic nie robi (np zmiana iq :O) bo nie napecznialo woda i jem tak jak by surowe.Czy moge bez problemu tak wcinac :)?

bar-czysty

okej to widze ze musze sie Ciebie posluchac i przestac tak jesc;).Na tej stronie co podales pisze ze orzechy wloskie namoczyc w wodzie 8-10h a potem odwodnic 12-15h i mozna schowac do pojemnika i potem smialo jesc przez kilka miechow :> zrobie sobie tak i zobacze czy jest roznica.A owsianke (zmielona) wieczorem wrzuce do kefiru i rano sobie wypije;)

ja bym zamiast owsianki proponowal ryz bialy, ew owoce (banany, rodzynki itp)

z bialkiem

tzn ta owsianke to jem na sniadanie.Po treningu bialko glukoza mleko i zastanawiam sie nad kupnem carbo tylko chcialem upewnic sie czy by byla duza roznica bo jak nie to nie bede wydawac pieniedzy;P albo odrazu jakis gainer i tyle

Po treningu w organizmie brakuje glikogenu (zostal wyczerpany z watroby i miesni) wiec organizm potrzebuje WW o srednim lub wysokim IG zeby szybko uzupelnic braki. Potrzebny mu glikogen po to aby zeby rozlozyc go na glukoze potrzebna do zasilania komorek.
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glikogen

Glikogen -(wielocukier) W organizmach zwierzęcych jest gromadzony w wątrobie, w mniejszym stężeniu występuje też w tkance mięśniowej.

Przez pierwsze 30 min po treningu nastepuje rozpad (katabolizm) aminokwasow w miesniach, ale to nie jest to samo co przy glodowaniu (braku pokarmu przez dluzszy czas) i niektorzy twierdza ze nie warto go przerywac bo jest to pozytywny proces.
To czy dostraczysz bialko po 10min czy 2-3 h po treningu nie ma wiekszego znaczenia. Nie trzeba sie z nim spieszyc.

Tego szejka bialkowego to lepiej wypic 30min przed treningiem.

A co do surowej owsianki to powiem tylko ze nawet orzechy (wloskie, migdaly itd) potrzebuja lezec w wodzie przez 24h zebysmy mogli je strawic (ze ich nie trawimy nie namoczonych mozna sie przekonac do 1-3 dni pozniej w kiblu).
Owsianka to nie orzechy ale mi szkoda by bylo jelit na takie eksperymenty.

Ja po treningu często do białka sypię glukozę, chyba że mam gainer :)

bar czysty - publikacje naukowe niestety nie popierają Twoich poglądów.

Po pierwsze, jesli mówimy o klasycznym treningu siłowym - straty glikogenu nie są aż tak drastyczne, a jego uzupełnienie nie musi być priorytetem. Duzo ważniejsze po zakończeniu sesji treningowej jest: odpowiedz insulinowa i dostepnośc aminokwasów. Stąd przyjęcie i białek i węglowodanów razem - daje potencjalnie najlepszą odpowiedz anaboliczną. Ale nawte z punktu widzenia uzupełnienia glikogenu spozycie wegli i białek razem może być rozwiązaniem lepszym niż spożycie samych sacharydów.

Tutaj publikacja która wykazuje iż przyjęcie węgli i aminokwasów razem daje odpowiedz anaboliczną znacznie lepszą niż same węgle, i same białka:

Independent and combined effects of amino acids and glucose after resistance exercise.
Miller SL, Tipton KD, Chinkes DL, Wolf SE, Wolfe RR.

Dairy Management, Inc, Rosemont, IL, USA.
Abstract
PURPOSE: This study was designed to assess the independent and combined effects of a dose of amino acids (approximately 6 g) and/or carbohydrate (approximately 35 g) consumed at 1 and 2 h after resistance exercise on muscle protein metabolism.

METHODS: Following initiation of a primed constant infusion of H -phenylalanine and N-urea, volunteers performed leg resistance exercise and then ingested one of three drinks (amino acids (AA), carbohydrate (CHO), or AA and CHO (MIX)) at 1- and 2-h postexercise.(5)

RESULTS: Total net uptake of phenylalanine across the leg over 3 h was greatest in response to MIX and least in CHO. The individual values for CHO, MIX, and AA were 53 +/- 6, 114 +/- 38, and 71 +/- 13 mg x leg x 3h. Stimulation of net uptake in MIX was due to increased muscle protein synthesis.

CONCLUSIONS: These findings indicate that the combined effect on net muscle protein synthesis of carbohydrate and amino acids given together after resistance exercise is roughly equivalent to the sum of the independent effects of either given alone. The individual effects of carbohydrate and amino acids are likely dependent on the amount of each that is ingested. Further, prior intake of amino acids and carbohydrate does not diminish the metabolic response to a second comparable dose ingested 1h later.


Poniższa publikacja natomiast podównuje podawanie potreningowo (trening siłowy), samych wegli, węgli i białek, jak i węgli, białek i leucyny razem. Jak widać lepszym rozwiazaniem jest przyjecie wegli i białek razem, niż samych węgli, najkorzystniejsza była opcja zawierająca wegle, protieny i leucynę razem w porcji.


Combined ingestion of protein and free leucine with carbohydrate increases postexercise muscle protein synthesis in vivo in male subjects.
Koopman R, Wagenmakers AJ, Manders RJ, Zorenc AH, Senden JM, Gorselink M, Keizer HA, van Loon LJ.

Department of Human Biology, Maastricht University, PO Box 616, 6200 MD Maastricht, The Netherlands. [email protected]
Abstract
The present study was designed to determine postexercise muscle protein synthesis and whole body protein balance following the combined ingestion of carbohydrate with or without protein and/or free leucine. Eight male subjects were randomly assigned to three trials in which they consumed drinks containing either carbohydrate (CHO), carbohydrate and protein (CHO+PRO), or carbohydrate, protein, and free leucine (CHO+PRO+Leu) following 45 min of resistance exercise. A primed, continuous infusion of L-[ring-13C6]phenylalanine was applied, with blood samples and muscle biopsies collected to assess fractional synthetic rate (FSR) in the vastus lateralis muscle as well as whole body protein turnover during 6 h of postexercise recovery. Plasma insulin response was higher in the CHO+PRO+Leu compared with the CHO and CHO+PRO trials (+240 +/- 19% and +77 +/- 11%, respectively, P < 0.05). Whole body protein breakdown rates were lower, and whole body protein synthesis rates were higher, in the CHO+PRO and CHO+PRO+Leu trials compared with the CHO trial (P < 0.05). Addition of leucine in the CHO+PRO+Leu trial resulted in a lower protein oxidation rate compared with the CHO+PRO trial. Protein balance was negative during recovery in the CHO trial but positive in the CHO+PRO and CHO+PRO+Leu trials. In the CHO+PRO+Leu trial, whole body net protein balance was significantly greater compared with values observed in the CHO+PRO and CHO trials (P < 0.05). Mixed muscle FSR, measured over a 6-h period of postexercise recovery, was significantly greater in the CHO+PRO+Leu trial compared with the CHO trial (0.095 +/- 0.006 vs. 0.061 +/- 0.008%/h, respectively, P < 0.05), with intermediate values observed in the CHO+PRO trial (0.0820 +/- 0.0104%/h). We conclude that coingestion of protein and leucine stimulates muscle protein synthesis and optimizes whole body protein balance compared with the intake of carbohydrate only.

I ciekawostka:

carbo v.s. mleko po treningu:


Effect of post-exercise supplement consumption on adaptations to resistance training.
Rankin JW, Goldman LP, Puglisi MJ, Nickols-Richardson SM, Earthman CP, Gwazdauskas FC.

Department of Human Nutrition, Foods, and Exercise, Virginia Tech, Blacksburg VA 24061-0430, USA. [email protected]
Abstract
OBJECTIVE: Athletes are interested in nutritional manipulations that may enhance lean tissue gains stimulated by resistance training. Some research demonstrates that acute consumption of food containing protein causes superior muscle protein synthesis compared to isoenergetic foods without protein. This benefit has not been verified in longer-term training studies. We compared body composition and muscle function responses to resistance training in males who consumed a carbohydrate or a multi-macronutrient beverage following each training session.

METHODS: Nineteen, untrained men (18-25 years) consumed either a milk (MILK) or a carbohydrate-electrolyte (CHO) drink immediately following each workout during a 10 week resistance training program. Muscle strength (1RM for seven exercises), body composition (DXA scan), fasted, resting concentrations of serum total and free testosterone, cortisol, IGF-1, and resting energy expenditure (REE) were measured prior to and at the end of training.

RESULTS: Resistance training caused an increase (44 +/- 4%, p < 0.001) in muscular strength for all subjects. The training program reduced percent body fat (8%, p < 0.05, -0.9 +/- 0.5 kg) and increased fat-free soft tissue (FFST) mass (2%, 1.2 +/- 0.3 kg, p < 0.01). MILK tended to increase body weight and FFST mass (p = 0.10 and p = 0.13, respectively) compared to CHO. Resting total and free testosterone concentrations decreased from baseline values in all subjects (16.7%, 11%, respectively, p < 0.05). Significant changes in fasting IGF-1, cortisol, and REE across training were not observed for either group.

CONCLUSION: Post-resistance exercise consumption of MILK and CHO caused similar adaptations to resistance training. It is possible that a more prolonged training with supplementation period would expand the trend for greater FFST gains in MILK.

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