Ted Wong mówi o Jeet Kune Do- video

i am really looking forward to have this translated. Finally we are discussion techniques and not personality, age and whatever.

as far as now I can only say this

"Ron would tie up Wong in knot like a shoe lace".

How come it is alright to make statements like this about jun fan/Ted Wong, AND IN THIS CASE PERSONALLY ABOUT TED WONG.

But when someone says something about dan inosanto and his abilities in JKD, all hell breaks loose. I am not even going to answer this, ted Wong doesn´t need to be protected like most people protect Inosanto. I feel that ted´s clips speak for themselves. Juast as inosantos, and maybe that is the reason why......

/SteFan

Here are the Buczah answers for Stefan questions translated into English from Polish

" Answers for Stefan questiosn:

1. does having many different Fighting Stances illustrate "Simplicity" If
so, How?

I hear for the first time about positions in JKD which are taken from
different styles. There is one position, it looks like on the instructional tape
with Inosanto. It's modified On Guard, as it didn't allow to kick fast with the
front leg. I don't know and I didn't met with with other positions.


2. Does mixing many diferent styled represent Simplicity?

JKD does not mix techniques as they are. Techniques very often are taken
from other styles and adjusted in appropriate way to eliminate useless movement.
For example in Tao of JKD there are notes about boxing, fencing, Muai Thai,
Savate, judo and jiu jitsu (page 78 oraz 122).

3. What kind of techniues illustrates Directnes?

Those are techniques which goes on the shortest way with and with minimall
exertion. Directness equell effectivness.
Drills aren't part of JKD as someones considered, they are element of
filipino martial arts panantukan, kali itd. which are being thaouht as addition to
JKD becouse ability to fight with stick and knife are very handy in modern
times. Trapping tittaly differs from Panantukan it has tottaly different
principles. Aims of attack in Panantukan are mainly muscles,joints, that's why
sometimes it's being called Dirty Boxing.

That what you call JKD Original is a copy of Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do which is
the same and only the samw what Bruce Lee had trained. Personally I consider
JKD as a way of my own development and Bruce Lee's JKD as a source and
inspiration to continue that development. JKD original stopped in moment of Bruce
Lee's death. I quess that was no circumstance that Dan Inosanto became one and
only whose Bruce gave the right to teach Jeet Kune Do. As he understood what
really is JKD and what it's not. For sure it's not a style which JKD Nucleus
movement wants to do from JKD. The thing that I wrote about Inosanto was
proved by the Linda Lee's letter which was posted earlier.

In conclusion JKD Original stopped in place, while JKD Inosanto is still
developing. "



My opinnion is that, as on BLEF website was clearly wrote that "IT'S A
COMMON MISCONCEPTION THAT BRUCE REASERCHED OTHER MARTIAL ARTS TO INCORPORATE
TECHNIQUES FROM THEM INTO HIS OWN REPEROIRE".

Buczah, your statements are so typicall for JKD concepts guy. How come Linda
Lee asked Inosanto why he is teaching Wing Chun dummy sets as her husband
didn't do that. He answered: " I made it up".
This show really shows that he understood what JKD is really about

The thing about developing, I quess that you JKD concepts guys got lost in
incorporating those many techniques from other styles. And you forgotten about
JKD tottaly- this is a stagnation. JKD Original which is Bruce Lee's JKD
still lives on his original teachings didn't die out. If Inosanto succeed,
they would but thanks GOD that he didn't succees.

That's why in this case, Ted Wong, Stefan Nikander and Michał c*****(
me)- I just put here my linege but there are more people in all of the world.
Wants to preserve Bruce Lee's original teachings.

In one of the posts Stefan had said that on one of the Nucleus meeting Linda
Lee said that she is watching what has been done to Bruce Lee's legacy and
that he doesn't want her husband legacy to die out. And most of a people say
to do JKD but it's not what Bruce Lee was doing. THAT I QUESS WAS THE REASON
TO CREATE JKD NUCLEUS- NOT AS YOU SAID TO MAKE A STYLE OUT OF JKD, BUT TO
PRESRVE JKD. That future generations will know that it's not a mixture of
different martial arts.


I have got a question to you Buczah as well as other people who represent Inosanto JKD approach.
What do you mean by saying that your JKD is still developing?? Do you mean that you are constantly looking for new techniques to add?




Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-12-03 21:06:05

I have got a question to you Buczah as well as other people who represent Inosanto JKD approach.
What do you mean by saying that your JKD is still developing?? Do you mean that you are constantly looking for new techniques to add?

Nie chodzi tyle o dodawania technik,co o ich rozwijanie tak by stawały się coraz skuteczniejsze, chodzi o wyeliminowanie błędów.Jak zapewne wiesz skuteczność danego systemu bazuje również na jego technikach jak i obrony przed nimi. Dla przykładu BJJ ciągle się rozwija, by móc obronić się przed grapplerem trzeba znać jego broń, umieć dobrze poruszać się w parterze.By obronić się w ciasnym pomieszczeniu typu winda czy autobus przydadzą się techniki Ju-Jitsu i trapping. Nie zawsze skopanie tyłka agresorowi jest dobrym rozwiązaniem, czasami opłaca się go obezwładnić by nie popaść w konflikt z prawem.Sytuacje mogą być na prawdę przeróżne, a prawo w naszym kraju jest jakie jest .Tak naprawdę to niewiele mnie obchodzi czy dany system/styl jest oryginalny i z jakiego kraju pochodzi, ma mi dać narzędzia, które mogę wykorzystać podczas obrony w każdej sytuacji, w której mogę się znaleźć. JKD uważane jest jako system wszechstronny/przekrojowy, myślę, że Bruce dążył do tego, by takie właśnie ono było.

Zmieniony przez - buczah w dniu 2008-12-03 22:30:23

1.

For the first time about other positions i JKD, What kind of books, videos, seminars have you researches JKd from. you have one that looks like the Inosanto tape. did,´t allow to kick fast with the lead leg. Bruce designed the On Guard to be able to kick fast with Lead leg, intercetion, SDA..... have you ever considered that you have not been taught the JKD on guard and footwork for kicking the correct way, and this is the reason your "JKD On guard failed and the modified version of inosatos was better. Du you know what "compensation" means" i Sports science. it means getting the best results out of a technique when one is lacking knowledge and technical ability. You do the best result you can,with what you have. some are satified with cpompensation, They win some loose some, but they wil never reach their fullset potential. "we only have two arms and two lega, how can we use them to a maximum" Jun fan/ted wong KD is based on the human anatomy, not compensation, an animal or tradition.


2.

Oh, there are notes on this styles, In the Tao.. there are some PICTURES of Muay Thai and some notes on the savate Puring kick. this Kick he actually modified to hi JKD. It is called the Reverse Hook kick, and is used att the outside line instead of a Rear roundhouse kick as in Muay thai, or to the groin against a left Lead. as far as Thai Boxing he wrote the following "page 39, commentaries on the martial way"

On the limitation of Thai boxing
1. a sport, no foul tactics". no grappling
3.Lacks economy struacture and scientific leads
4. Unuccostoned to advance targets attacks to the eyes and groin-the delicate movements

he also wrote about Judo. he liked the Footsweeps, the osotogari, off balncing and that they actually trained "ful contact", a throw gave only a point if it was throw. No "fake", skin tuch" "I would have killed you iF I hade hit you for real bla,bla, bla. The he wrote:

Need to add
1. foul Tactics
2.Groingravbbing
3 Eye poking
4 shin pinching
note; study a few practical throws

You might want to explain how you add something to this to eliminate useless movements. to me the uselessness is in the Muay Thai, kali, BJJ that many Concepts instructors add to their JKD.

3.

so drills like Hubud that clearly are not the shortest way (parry-pass-check hit)to get a result. Did´t you earlier state that
"Techniques very often are taken from other styles and adjusted in appropriate way to eliminate useless movement.
Now you are saying that they are only pannatukan, I don´t quite get it. Sure, for stick and knife, but empty hand? And as far as stick and empty hand you probably have seen my clips on "Fighting with something in my hand. To me Kali is simple to classical, complex and passive to be added to eliminate unesseary movemnets in my Jun fan/ted Wong JKD. to me they are the opposite.

"inspiration to continue that development. JKD original stopped in moment of Bruce
Lee's death."

I would say that what you call "continue to develop your JKD", killed Jun fan JKD, Bruce Lee´s JKD stopped. you are simply doing your own interpretation of Martial arts, Not Bruce Lee´s JKD, developing or whatever, you are simpy doing your own interpretation of Martial Arts. Nothing wrong with that, "two sides of the coin", but please, don´t bring up that old, outdated letter from Linda. realy, is that all you have?

PS. Bot Ted and Inosanto are still developing, the queation towards what are they deveoping?

/SteFan

Here is what Buczah replied:
"It’s not that much about adding techniques as about developing them in that way they will becoming more effective, it’s about eliminating errors. As you probably know effectiveness of particular system base on it’s techniques as well as ways to defend from them. For example BJJ i still developing for being able to defend against grappler one should know his weapon, be able to move good on the ground. To defend in tight space like elevator or the bus techniques from Ju-Jitsu and trapping may come in handy. Not always kicking your opponent butt is a good solution, sometimes you need to tranqualize him just to not have trouble with law. Situations may be very different and law in our country is as it is . To be honest I don’t care much if particular system/ style is original and which country it comes from it suppose to give me tools which I will be able to use when I will be defending myself in any situation that I can find myself. JKD is considered to be a miscellaneous / cross-sectional system. I think that Bruce was following that way, so it would be that way."

Buczah, here on this forum but in another topic of discussion which is named pozycja JKD in English JKD position you said : "We are not practicing "raw" JKD, but we are mixing it with FMA and MMA".

When I said that Bruce Lee's JKD isn't about mixing many different Martial arts you replied that Bruce Lee was wrong becouse he didn't took techniques from different MA into his repertoire.

Then you said that even Bruce might have been wrong and now here you are stating that Dan Inosanto clearly understood what JKD is really all about. To me you assume that Dan Inosanto knows better than Bruce what is JKD....

Your above reply, and that in the other topic depict me clearly what you train. But still I can figure out why do you call it JKD anyway. Telling that you add FMA and MMA to JKD you mean that you are ADDING MORE AND MORE TECHNIQUES TO THOSE WHICH YOU ALREADY HAVE.

That's why I have decided to give you something to consider.

First of all let's make it clear in that Dan Inosanto instructional tape and in a lot of his interviews he is saying that JKD is about constantly looking for new techniques, practicing different MA and taking from them different MA and adding the to what he calls base system of JKD- Jun Fan Gung Fu.
This is the reason why he uses the term: "Absorb what is useful, Reject what is useless, use what is essentially your own"- by essentially your own he means those techniques which weren't discarded. ( How come every JKD concepts guys train the same hubud drills, the same focus mitts routines? Accordingly to the statement "absorb what is usefull.." and the theory that everyone is different and one technique fit to one guy and to another not, everyone should reaserch techniques on his own right?)

Now I said earlier that JKD that Ted Wong is teaching is the purest stain and closest to Bruce Lee's JKD. Stefan and I have also mentioned that Ted Wong JKD is something completely different from JKD concepts.


Now let's compare some facts, I quess you have the book titled Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do Bruce Lee's commentaries on martial arts. In Polish: "Bruce Lee Jeet Kune Do Komentarze Bruce'a Lee na temat sztuk walki".

Now let's read the foreword to this book given by noone else but Ted Wong. By the way If Inosanto would have been the one who really and fully understood JKD, what he didn't give foreword to any of the books connected with Bruce Lee's JKD? The books to which he was asked to give foreword were books of his students....

Anyway let's get back to the Ted Wong foreword, he says there:
" Jeet Kune Do is unique martial art as it's first system which is not based on tradition"page 12. I know later on Ted Wong says that this is a system which everyone should practice on his own and that JKD leads to self-expression and self-aquirement. But this is what he meant as he later on explains " We should be willing to to our work, which will help us to realize that"

Then on this forum in this topic some of you said something like that, You can't train the same techniques like Bruce becouse you aren't like him so it won't give you any effect. Then you gave example of tall guy training footwork or finger jab I can't remember what exact techniques you gave for example... But here you have got an answer for this:

Again the foreword: "When people say, "You don't have even to try to train like Bruce or go his hints- becouse you are not like him", then it comes to me that they didn't understand completely the message/idea that Bruce tried to deliver. Often he repeat to us that he is no exceptional person, he is only very devoted to his art." page 12 and 13

" Bruce always said to experiment with that what he thaught us. Experiment not in a meaning of "test drive" when you are trying something and becouse of some reason it seem to you unaproppriate- you discard it. Bruce rather wanted us to train dilligent those things which he shared with us not in hours but not in days but in years. He wanted us to train On guard, footwork[...]to the point that it becomes our second nature." page 13 and 14.

Now consider those statements, get back and read again when I wrote about what I consider to have "no form". Compare it to the statements which Inosanto made in his interviews in his instructional tapes.

Do you see the difference between Ted Wong JKD approach and Inosanto approach now?

If not please comapare those Ted Wong statements and Inosanto statements with this passage that Bruce Lee wrote:

" Not how much you learn is impotrant but how much you get out of that what you are learning. The best techniques are simple techniques did appropriately. When sparring begin, one need to strongly underline this principle, the students will realize on their own how useless is constant searching for new techniques. Instead of that they will sacrafice in training simple techniques". "Bruce Lee Jeet Kune Do commentaries on martial arts" page 294-295.

Now take in mind and consider what Stefan and I have been writing all the time. What Ted Wong had said in the foreword what Bruce Lee had said about searching for new techniques to substitution. Take in mind the Bruce Lee's Letter to Jerry Poteet.

And then Buczah, compare it to your statements, to the info which polish JKD "masters" are feeding you. What they are writing about JKD on their webpages. What they have said here. What you have said here. What Inosanto said in the video from 1980 which I have posted here.

Do you still think that Inosanto is the one who really understood what JKD is about? Do you really think that Ted Wong tries to make something else from JKD that it really is?

Consider who follow Bruce idea and is loyall to Bruce Lee'a art and who deviated from it and teach his own interpretation not even of JKD but of martial arts.



Thanks to Stefan clip people who visit this forum can clearly see the difference between Ted Wong JKD approach and Inosanto concepts approach from the technical point of view. Thanks to Stefan posts everyone who read it can see the difference bewteen those approaches from theoretical and also technical point of view. I quess that thanks to my post you can also see the difference between those two approches. I now that I foused more on presenting what is Ted Wong JKD. But here I gave something to consider. Something to compare and then conclude.


By the way when I wrote here that what Ted Wong is teaching is called Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do- Bruce Lee's JKD. Someone had asked me how can one say that he is teaching Bruce Lee's JKD when Bruce Lee is dead.

My question is how come on one of the websites of the guys who say to be JKD instructor under Harstell, and Erik Paulson, he has there a huge banner with sign Bruce Lee's JKD.... How come no one asked him how can he call what he is teaching Bruce Lee's JKD as he was the one who announced Tackett as original Bruce Lee's student and says that JKD is a mixture of different martial arts?
The same guy joined the foreign forum about which I stated here, but he had to be quite suprised as this forum is full of people who represent and stand for JFJKD and openely say ( even make T-shirts with sign) " I hate JKD concepts".

Maybe here in Poland he is too shy to admitt that and that's why he is quiet in all of the disucssion. I remember some time ago here on forum one of his student said that on one of the training he played the scene from "Enter the Dragon" and was talking to the student about finger and the moon, and hit the student in the head... How come no one reminiscent that?



Anyway I am still waiting for answer to my questions


Michal





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Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-12-04 13:07:29

I told myself not to answer to your accusations targeted at Guru Dan, Michal. And I won't. Instead, I shall give you some info from a web site I came across today. Get familiar with that, especially the parts I allowed myself to bold out:
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What is Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do?
　

Introduction
Whether you are an instructor currently teaching, a student or practitioner, or simply an individual who is genuinely interested in learning more about Bruce Lee or his martial art and philosophy, the Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do Nucleus' goal remains the same: to help people around the world to gain a better understanding of both Bruce Lee and his art and philosophy. Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do is a non-profit educational organization established for the purpose of promoting understanding through providing the means for those seeking information about the art of Bruce Lee.

The Organization
Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do is a non-profit corporation formed for the sole purpose of preserving and perpetuating Bruce Lee's art and philosophy which he called Jeet Kune Do. Its existence began in Seattle, Washington on January 10, 1996 when Linda Lee Cadwell invited many of Bruce Lee's students among others to discuss the state of her late husband's martial art with her and Shannon, their daughter. Its Board of Directors is the Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do Nucleus and is currently comprised of 13 original students, 5 second generation students, Bruce Lee's widow and daughter.

Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do functions as an educational organization to inform the martial arts community and the public worldwide about Bruce Lee's body of work. The Nucleus feels that Bruce Lee's philosophy and way of life represent an inspiring model of thought and can motivate others to develop their full physical and spiritual potential. In order to maintain the integrity of Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do, the Nucleus wants to give a clear and accurate picture of Bruce Lee's evolution in the martial arts.

It is this set of basic technical, scientific, and philosophical principles - the foundation of Bruce Lee's art - that the Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do Nucleus seeks to preserve. Ideally, every person who understands the basic principles of Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do should end up expressing himself uniquely, that is, he or she will absorb techniques that are personally useful and reject what is unsuitable while adding what is specifically their own. When that individual reaches the stage of artlessness, or the height of simplicity, then truly they will have found their own expression of Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do, different from anyone else's. But one cannot reach that pinnacle without having assembled the building blocks.

The Nucleus decided that Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do would be an organization established for the purpose of promoting understanding through providing the means for those seeking information about the art of Bruce Lee. The Nucleus plans to implement its educational program by means of seminars, group and individual instruction, and the publishing of written, visual, and audio materials. Towards this end, the Nucleus will build a membership of persons skilled and knowledgeable in Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do who will form the vanguard of the future and will continue the pattern of growth toward greater spiritual awareness initiated by Bruce Lee.

Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do is a non-profit corporation. Any revenue received by the organization through seminars, memberships, publications will be utilized to further the educational goals of the corporation. Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do (JFJKD) is a trademarked name and cannot be used legitimately by any persons unauthorized to do so by the Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do Nucleus. Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do is not associated with any other organization using the name Jeet Kune Do.

Goals

The stated goals of the Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do Nucleus are as follows:

1. To promote and perpetuate the art of Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do and to foster respect for its founder, Bruce Jun Fan Lee.
2. To disseminate information to the martial arts community and the public about the art and science of Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do based upon Bruce Lee's written notes and records and the personal experiences of his original students.
3. To serve as a living repository of all of the various aspects of Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do, including physical/technical training, historical foundation, scientific basis and philosophical/mental spiritual learning.
4. To maintain high standards of clarity with regard to the dissemination of information concerning the art and its founder.
5. To establish a Code of Ethics calling for mutual respect between members and for instructors and practitioners of other martial arts disciplines.

To give recognition to legitimate instructors and practitioners of Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do.
The Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do Name

A major resolution was adopted (January 10-11, 1996) concerning the name of the art in order to quell the confusion which currently exists. Shannon Lee Keasler suggested that the terms Jun Fan and Jeet Kune Do be combined to represent her father's art from this day forward. By unanimous agreement, the term "Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do" was chosen.

Since it was agreed that both Jun Fan Gung Fu and Jeet Kune Do cannot and should not be separated, it was decided that the two terms should be combined. In this way, the Nucleus would distinguish the complete body of technical and philosophical knowledge studied and taught by Bruce Lee during his lifetime. Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do is unique in its approach to the study of combative arts in that it combines martial aspects with an encompassing philosophy and a scientific basis. Hence, Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do is all-encompassing in that it endeavors to cover all of the various facets of Bruce Lee's art, philosophy, and history.

Points of Clarification

January 1, 1997

Since the formation of the Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do Nucleus in January 1996, a great deal of misinformation has been circulated concerning our organization and what it is all about. Most of this misinformation has been in the form of speculation and rumor. It has been the position of the Nucleus not to respond, but instead to maintain a positive stance as we move forward. If you are interested in finding out what the Nucleus is all about, read the following information:

The JFJKD Nucleus is a synergistic group of original students of Bruce Lee and second generation students united together and dedicated to preserving and perpetuating Bruce Lee's legacy as a martial artist, teacher, and philosopher.

The Charter Members of the Nucleus included:

Linda Lee Cadwell, Shannon Lee Keasler, Taky Kimura, Allen Joe, George Lee, Bob Bremer, Richard Bustillo, Steve Golden, Larry Hartsell, Dan Inosanto, Herb Jackson, Pete Jacobs, Daniel Lee, Jerry Poteet, Ted Wong, Greglon Lee, Chris Kent, Tim Tackett, and John Little.

　

Notes: -- Dan Inosanto has since chosen not to play an active role in the Nucleus. However, he is recognized and highly regarded by the Nucleus as an instructor of JFJKD.

-- In August, 1996, following a unanimous vote, Tommy Gong was invited to become a member of the Nucleus.

　

The Nucleus would like to clarify our position on the following points:

1) The Nucleus does not certify instructors to teach JFJKD or test those who are currently teaching Jeet Kune Do, Jun Fan Gung Fu, Jun Fan Martial Arts or any other art. Our function is to serve as an educational and inspirational organization, to act as a living repository or information about Bruce Lee and his art, and to promote personal excellence and growth. We do not see ourselves as the only group of people having this goal, and we welcome the combination of synergistic energies between the Inosanto Association, the Nucleus and all others having a desire to see Bruce Lee's work perpetuated. Greater progress can be made by working together rather than in opposition.

　

2) The Nucleus will recognize (not certify) qualified instructors of JFJKD. Recognition means that the Nucleus acknowledges that an individual has a high degree of scholarship in JFJKD. Individuals are recommended for recognition by their instructors. Recognition is not the equivalent of a license to teach JFJKD; that privilege is granted between instructor and student. The sole purpose of this recognition process for JFJKD is to serve as a reference source when interested persons ask for information about the art and philosophy of Bruce Lee. Beyond that, we have no interest in criticizing or making judgments about the abilities of instructors or the value of other arts.

　

3) The Nucleus has no desire to diminish the importance of contributions made by Dan Inosanto or any other individual to Jeet Kune Do. We hope you remember that when the name, the goals, and the Code of Ethics of JFJKD were established, Dan Inosanto was present and took an active role in its formation. It was Dan's choice to resign from the group, and upon leaving he stated that we share the common goal of protecting and preserving Bruce's art. He wished the Nucleus well and hoped that unfortunate political controversies could be put to rest. This is our most earnest hope.

　

4) The Nucleus has high regard for Dan Inosanto. Regardless of what you may have heard, the Nucleus respects Dan Inosanto as a skilled and knowledgeable martial artist, as Bruce's assistant instructor in the L.A. Chinatown School, and as sifu of many Nucleus members. In fact, several Nucleus members were certified in Jeet Kune Do or Jun Fan Gung Fu under Dan Inosanto and have taught classes for Dan. This certification plus their personal experience with Bruce Lee only enhances the contribution they can make to preserving his art. In addition, some Nucleus members did receive certificates of various levels of accomplishment directly from Bruce Lee. It is unfortunate that Dan Inosanto decided not to be a part of the Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do Nucleus because we recognize that his contribution and that of many of his students is of great value. The contribution of all students of Jeet Kune Do should be combined for the benefit to future generations.

　

5) Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do is a registered non-profit corporation; any charges for services and events will only cover expenses and cannot, by law, enrich any members of the organization. The name Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do was chosen to differentiate it from all other teachings and interpretations of Jeet Kune Do, of which there are many around the world. Our desire is that the term Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do should refer only to the teaching of Bruce Lee and not to expanded interpretations of his art by individual practitioners, be they members of the Nucleus or not.

　

In summary, JFJKD seeks only to do its part in sharing and recording the experiences of its members. We have no intention of diminishing, stopping, criticizing, or judging anyone else's contribution to Bruce's art. As stated at our inaugural meeting in January 1996 in Seattle, our purpose is to bring people together to share the knowledge and experience.
_________

End of the quote. I wonder if you know where did I get this from.

Where do you want to go with this? Do do you have any concrete question/statement?

Just pick anything that you would say is important in the current JKD disussion to discuss, please do not only copy a pege and not follow up with personal oppinions, something concrete to discuss. It is a good way not to need to discuss with me, and maybe that is what you want.

If you want my oppinion I prefer concrete questions, statements to discuss

/SteFan

I didn't want to state my opinion to prevent myself from being harsh. An intelligent person Michal is would simply see my purpose in the text. But okay.
My point is... I'd like him to reconsider whether he really shows the attitude stated in the quotation shown (which he doesn't). I think he should be, and that's because of the source I got this quotation from.
My statement is, until he ceases to go against what is written here, I'm not going to discuss anything with him, him as a spokesman of JFJKD. Because I'm interested to confront ideas with a JFJKD spokesman, not a cur who slanders qualities important for me.
There. You have my point.

Now you are telling me that I show disrespect and make personall attacks on Dan Inosanto, this is what you mean?

Mekravoth, look, please stop trying to make excuses like- Michal I won't talk to you as you are insulting Inosanto...

In above post I presented quotes of Ted Wong and Bruce Lee, what I asked you was to confront them with those things said by Dan Inosanto, and then confront them what Stefan and I stated which is according to what Ted Wong had said, and your statements which should be according to what Dan Inosanto had said.

No one says here this is better this and that is worse, no one besides you guys or majority of the JKD concepts guys.

All I wanted to know are some facts, information, why do you percieve JKD in this and not some other way. Why do you consider that it's Bruce Lee JKD for example I aksed Buczah that after "reconsidering" everything he can tell me why he calls what he trains JKD.

What's more I asked him about "27 different martial arts" after seminar with Balicki he should have been able to answer me for this question. Why Balicki consider that JKD is a blend of 27 different martial arts- he wrote that in his book.



So, please don't try to all of a sudden put me in a bad light just make an excuse and to justify running away from the discussion.


At the end of my previous post I asked few question, In earlier post I asked some question which I restated here above ( some of them). Is it such a problem to answer them?


Michal

Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-12-05 10:49:52

I'm not trying, you are putting yourself in bad light, with statements which had been erased by the moderator. I wonder if Stefan knows what you wrote in other topic (Po seminarium...) and what led you to a ban... Michal, I'm not running from discussion with a proper JFJKD spokesman, I'm waiting for him to appear in place of you. As for now, you offend what is important to me, you underestimate the input of Dan Inosanto in JFJKD, you put him against the JFJKD origins (Nucleus) while it is stated here, that he was on of the creators, kept in high esteem.You lead your personal war against someone who is regarded an expert by, it is to say, your superiors.

I once again ask you, whether you know where I got this text from and if you agree with it in your doings.