Ted Wong mówi o Jeet Kune Do- video

...zgadzam sie ze bruce lee nic tam nie osiagnoł jesli chodzi o jakies tytuły,ale popatrz ilu trenerów boksu nie raz nic nie osiągneło i sa swietnymi trenerami... - o tym, że są świetnymi trenerami świadczy to ilu wyszkolili mistrzów. Bruce’a nikt z jego wychowanków nie przeskoczył

Po pierwsze to masz racje te bzdury trwaja od 35 lat... - Michał, tak dzieje się z każdą sztuką walki (systemem) po śmierci założyciela (czasem za życia). Tak było/jest z Aikido, Krav Maga, Taekwondo, Kyokushin... Są różne odłamy i każdy mistrz idzie swoją drogą...

I tried to show my intrest on the discussions earlier but unfortunastely my taughts on JKD were deleted for reasons I can´t understand.

I will make another try, and hopefully this time people will be more openminded, if I offended anyone the last time i can only say that i am sorry.

i see that my clips are being shown and discussed on this page. I would be greatful if someone could give me a short version about what is being discussed so that I can give my point of view what is being shown.

I also see panatukan and Rich Young demonstrating the typical Concepts approach. This approach is a little bit different from the Jun fan/ted wong approach and I think polish JKD would benefit from my point of view.

rick Young is the firts full instructor under Inosanto in Europe. I am one of three certified instructor under ted Wong, who was the first of us is of no intrest since to Ted wong certification is very personal and we don´t discuss dates and rankings within the ted Wong instructors. we are all equal, a certificate is just something that exists between instructor and student.

So I hope that someone wil fill me in on the details and take up the discussion with me.

PS. ted wong and dan insoanto are the only two certified JKD teachers operating today, by that I mean who have a JKD certification directly from Bruce Lee. all the other JKD teacher out there have Jun fan Gung FuInstiture member cerytificate, signed by dan inosanto as instructor and bruce lee simply as President. These people are second genberation JKD instructors under dan Inosanto. This is not to offend anyone studying under these instructors and tecahing JKD, simply to clear out some facts who is authoprized in what and by who

/SteFan

Jeśli dobrze zrozumiałem to według Stefana sprawa jest jasna. Dan i Ted otrzymali certyfikaty od Bruce'a w Jeet Kune Do. Mają jednak inne podejście co do istoty nauk Bruce'a - maja do tego prawo. Sprzeczanie się co do tego, który z nich ma racje jest bez sensu, gdyż po części mają ją oboje. Niech ludzie sami zdecydują, którą drogę JKD chcą wybrać. Co do hierarchii nadawania certyfikatów to jest oczywiste, że nadają je Dan i Ted oraz full instruktorzy certyfikowani przez nich. Nie ma w tym nic dziwnego. Nie wyobrażam sobie sytuacji żeby po stopień mistrzowski np. w ninjutsu trzeba było jechać na egzamin do Japonii do Soke Hatsumi, gdyż jest on jedynym oficjalnym spadkobiercą systemu

Tak jest tak jak Stefan napisał. Ted Wong i Dan Inosanto sa to osoby ktore otrzymaly certyfikat od Bruce'a. Nadmienia jednak że zauwazyl tez filmiki ktore prezentuja typowe JKD koncepcje. I zaznacza ze podejscie Ted'a Wonga do JKD jest diametralnie inne .
Juz pisałem, że właśnie dlatego pisze na tym forum żeby uzmysłowić ludziom że mają wybor...

Stefan, I have posted the Ted Wong video and wrote that I am only person in Poland who is authorized by you to teach JFJKD. Then I wrote that this is original JKD. And that Dan Inosanto is teaching JKD concepts which deviates from Bruce Lee's art as Dan assumed that JKD contains 27 different martial arts.


Then Kenjiro posted you clip saying that this is low quality mere grappling techniques. After that he posted Dan Inosanto video and said that Dan Inosanto is not teaching JKD as a mix of 26 different martial arts.

There it all began....

Rest is just a quarrell why I assume that Ted Wong JKD is the "purest strain" and why I am standing for that JKD concepts is comercialized Bruce Lee's art.

MichalJF: chodzi wlaśnie o wybór, a nie o mówienie, że Dan Inosanto źle interpretował nauki Bruce'a a Ted Wong dobrze. Kto zrobił to dobrze, a kto nie pozostaw do decyzji każdemu trenującemu z osobna.

Okey, thank you. I have already got some feedback on my statement about the videos I mentioned.

I just want to clarify that I was not saying that Rick young did panantukan, I refered to the second Video on Page one where Rich is demonstrating.

This clearly shows the Difference between the Jun fan/Ted wong approach and the Concepts approack. Please, dont straight away think that by "difference" I mean better or worse, I simply mean DIFFERENT, not better or not worse, just different

I, as a certified Jun Fan/Ted Wong instructor don´t train the things Rick is showing, thats all I want to stress, there are other ways of training JKD. The reason is that the techniques according to jun fan/Ted Wong approach strays away too far from the 6000 pages Bruce Lee wrote down on his JKD

For example. Bruce said that the "Root of JKD", and you also know that he said "when you understand the root you will understand all the blossoming" The Roof in JKd is
1. On Guard
2. Footwork
3. Postures in relaying Force

Look at any JKD instructor from this point o view. Hown many On Guards do you see, Bruce Lee said "all JKD techniques start and end up in the On Guard. To me Following the principle/Concepts of Simplicity doesn´t mean that I have one style/Stance in one situation/range, another in a different scenario. it menas that I stay with one on Guard.

Why? Because this, according to Bruce Led to postures in relaying Force. Training in JKD Bruce new that The Laws of physique is important. foe example, Isac Newtons second law. "for very action there is a opposite and equal reactio2. If you don´t have "postures in relaying Force", Newton law will work against you and you have not the Power you can achieve with a balanced and structured on gurad,

This takes us to Footwork. Applying the fencing Footwork Bruce came up with moving the Body in the best way from On Guard to the Correct posture and back to On Guard. I see many JKD instructors who do what Bruce Lee said that you don´t do in JKD, YOU DON`T CROSS YOUR FEET IN JKD, still I see a lot of switching Leads, crossing feet in Footwork. This not only, according to my experience, leave your groin unprotected, but it also disturb your balance more than the shuffling Footwork Bruce created for his JKD from fencing.

I would defenitely say that Michail is the only one doing authentic JKD. Not because he is doing the same ting as I do. Not because it Looks like the stuff Bruce Lee did. I call what I do authentic since i feel that what I am doing is practically demonstrated in my technique. My technique illustrates the principle. and this is what michail is trying to get through.

so my question would be
1. does having many different Fighting Stances illustrate "Simplicity" If so, How?
2. Does mixing many diferent styled represent Simplicity.
3. What kind of techniues illustrates Directnes
4. What did he mean by "non classical"

I am not looking for "better or worse" I simply want to give everybody the chance to get "both sides of the JKD coin", the jun fan/ted Wong and JKD Concepts.

/SteFan

Ok... Trenuje JKD jak to nazywacie Koncepcje. Jak już pisałem wcześniej pozycja jest fundamentem. Z pozycji wyprowadza się atak, po ataku wraca się do pozycji. Nie krzyżuje się broń Boże nóg ani nie wlacza pozycji z innych stylow.Nie wiem gdzie Stefan widział takie zachowania, ale napewno nie było JKD, tylko właśnie jakaś mieszanka karate z kickboxingiem. W Polsce sa osoby, ktore dbaja rowniez o to by nie dochodzilo do tego typu manipulacji i oszustw. Każda sztuka walki ma inną pozycję i inny sposób poruszania się. Dan Inosanto nie miesza styli, lecz dostosowuje techniki, które pasują do idei JKD zgodnie z tym co mówił Bruce:

"JEET KUNE DO korzysta z wszelkich możliwości i nie jest ograniczone przez nikogo, stosuje każdą technikę i używa wszelkich środków, które prowadzą do celu".

JKD, ktore Dan Inosanto rozwija jest proste, szybkie i skuteczne. Tylko techniki pasujace do tego wzorca sa nauczane w ramach JKD.

Bucah, sorry my polish is not so good I will gladly give you an answer. I will be waiting for Michail to translate it for me.

Maybe I should get me a polish dictionary, I am feeling like a fool here. What would you think if I would right in Swedish

" Ja, den där Bucah verkar vara en intressant person, åtminstone får jag een respons av honom, hoppas bara att det är kreativt2

or in Finnish

"kyllä, täma Bucah näyttää olevan kiva kaveri. toivottavasti hänellaon vain hyvää sanottavaa"

By this I could at the same time mention my view on Grappling. Never Grapple with a Grappler. when we are writing in English noone has the advantage. When you right in Polish, you have the advantage.When I right in swedish I have the advatgae. I would not put the effort of mastering every little word i Polish to be able to communciate. I would learnn the basics, the most usuable to be able to understand what you are writing.

I am fortunate to speak two languages Finnish/Swedish, I have also learnt English and som German. With this I do quite fine out in the world. This is the Jun fan approach, I don´t go around spendingall the time to learn everything about Grappling, to win a grappling match againts agrappler, I would talk a difrent language eith him. I ask myself, what is the language of JKD and go from there.

So what is the language of JKD
-Simple,direct, non -classical
-daily decrease
- Root of JKD

Lookuing forward to a translation.

/your JKR brother from Sweden

Stefan, this is what Buczah wrote:

"Ok I train as you call it JKD concepts. As I wrote earlier the stance is the base/fundament. The one attack from the stance and after the attack one get back to position. Ones don't for god sake cross their feet either don't take stances from other styles. I don't know where Stefan had seen such behavior but for sure it wasn't JKD but actually some mix of karate with kickboxing. In Poland there are people who take care to prevent similar frauds and manipulations.

Each martial art has different stance and different way of moving/footwork. Dan Inosanto does not mix up the styles but adjust techniques which fit the JKD idea accordingly to Bruce Lee's words:

" Jeet Kune Do takes from all possibilities and it's not bounded by noone it uses every technique and every way which lead to the target"

JKD which Dan is developing is straight, fast and effiecient. Only techniques which match to the formula are being thought in frames of JKD. "


Again, above this is not my opinnion but a translation of what Buchah wrote in polish. I did it just for Stefan so he will be able to understand what he was talking about.
Whatsoever in my opinnion this clearly proves that Buczah doesn't know what JKD structure is about I conclude it also on the earlier of Buchahs posts.

Anyway I hope that Stefan will answer as soon and set everything clear . As I posted a lot of facts a lot of Bruce Lee's quotes and some people still are claiming what they did.

I put the translation on forum so Buchah or any of his mates won't accuse me for changing something for my own reasons

Stefan I am honoured that I may call myself your JKD brother, thank you so much for your support on this forum. I am very grateful.

Take Care my JKD brother,


Michal

Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-11-04 17:26:34