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Ja nie twierdze że to nie prawda i niema to zastosowania na świecie . Jak już piszesz to rób to normalnie a nie rzucasz teksty typu - polska jak zwykle za murzynami ;]
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a więc źle zrozumiałem, my bad.
+ czy istnieje limit białka jaki organizm może przyswoić podczas jednego posiłku:
http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/is-there-a-limit-to-how-much-protein-the-body-can-use-in-a-single-meal/
cytaty:
"If we were to believe the premise that a 20-30 g dose of protein yields a maximal anabolic effect, then it follows that any excess beyond this dose would be wasted. On the contrary, the body is smarter than that. In a 14-day trial, Arnal and colleagues found no difference in fat-free mass or nitrogen retention between consuming 79% of the day’s protein needs (roughly 54 g) in one meal, versus the same amount spread across four meals [11].
Notably, this study was done on young female adults whose fat-free mass averaged 40.8 kg (89.8 lb). Considering that most non-sedentary males have considerably more lean mass than the female subjects used in the aforementioned trial, it’s plausible that much more than 54 g protein in a single meal can be efficiently processed for anabolic and/or anti-catabolic purposes. If we extrapolated the protein dose used in this study (79% of 1.67g/kg) to the average adult male, it would be roughly 85-95 g or even more, depending on just how close someone is to the end of the upper limits of muscular size.
When Arnal and colleagues applied the same protocol to the elderly population, the single-dose treatment actually caused better muscle protein retention than the multiple-dose treatment [12]. This raises the possibility that as we age, larger protein feedings might be necessary to achieve the same effect on protein retention as lesser amounts in our youth."
"Based on the available evidence, it’s false to assume that the body can only use a certain amount of protein per meal. Studies examining short-term effects have provided hints towards what might be an optimal protein dose for maximizing anabolism, but trials drawn out over longer periods haven’t supported this idea. So, is there a limit to how much protein per meal can be effectively used? Yes there is, but this limit is likely similar to the amount that’s maximally effective in an entire day. What’s the most protein that the body can effectively use in an entire day? The short answer is, a lot more than 20-30 g. The long answer is, it depends on several factors. In most cases it’s not too far from a gram per pound in drug-free trainees, given that adequate total calories are provided [8,9]. "
dr lyle mcdonald, autor UD 2.0 oraz sławnej książki pt. "The Ketogenic Diet" i wielu innych publikacji nt maksymalnej ilości przyswojalnego białka i prędkości trawienia:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/what-are-good-sources-of-protein-speed-of-digestion-pt1.html
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/what-are-good-sources-of-protein-speed-of-digestion-part-2.html
reasumując, im więcej zjemy w ciągu dnia tym czas trawienia wydłuża się, więc nie ma różnicy czy wszamam to na raz czy nie. liczy się dzienne zapotrzebowanie kaloryczne i tyle.
dochodzi do tego jeszcze fakt, że krótkotrwała np 16 godzinna głodówka przyspiesza metabolizm i spalanie tłuszczu i mamy idealne warunki dla rozwoju sylwetki.
Zmieniony przez - cykloop w dniu 2011-05-08 15:52:44
+ czy istnieje limit białka jaki organizm może przyswoić podczas jednego posiłku:
http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/is-there-a-limit-to-how-much-protein-the-body-can-use-in-a-single-meal/
cytaty:
"If we were to believe the premise that a 20-30 g dose of protein yields a maximal anabolic effect, then it follows that any excess beyond this dose would be wasted. On the contrary, the body is smarter than that. In a 14-day trial, Arnal and colleagues found no difference in fat-free mass or nitrogen retention between consuming 79% of the day’s protein needs (roughly 54 g) in one meal, versus the same amount spread across four meals [11].
Notably, this study was done on young female adults whose fat-free mass averaged 40.8 kg (89.8 lb). Considering that most non-sedentary males have considerably more lean mass than the female subjects used in the aforementioned trial, it’s plausible that much more than 54 g protein in a single meal can be efficiently processed for anabolic and/or anti-catabolic purposes. If we extrapolated the protein dose used in this study (79% of 1.67g/kg) to the average adult male, it would be roughly 85-95 g or even more, depending on just how close someone is to the end of the upper limits of muscular size.
When Arnal and colleagues applied the same protocol to the elderly population, the single-dose treatment actually caused better muscle protein retention than the multiple-dose treatment [12]. This raises the possibility that as we age, larger protein feedings might be necessary to achieve the same effect on protein retention as lesser amounts in our youth."
"Based on the available evidence, it’s false to assume that the body can only use a certain amount of protein per meal. Studies examining short-term effects have provided hints towards what might be an optimal protein dose for maximizing anabolism, but trials drawn out over longer periods haven’t supported this idea. So, is there a limit to how much protein per meal can be effectively used? Yes there is, but this limit is likely similar to the amount that’s maximally effective in an entire day. What’s the most protein that the body can effectively use in an entire day? The short answer is, a lot more than 20-30 g. The long answer is, it depends on several factors. In most cases it’s not too far from a gram per pound in drug-free trainees, given that adequate total calories are provided [8,9]. "
dr lyle mcdonald, autor UD 2.0 oraz sławnej książki pt. "The Ketogenic Diet" i wielu innych publikacji nt maksymalnej ilości przyswojalnego białka i prędkości trawienia:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/what-are-good-sources-of-protein-speed-of-digestion-pt1.html
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/what-are-good-sources-of-protein-speed-of-digestion-part-2.html
reasumując, im więcej zjemy w ciągu dnia tym czas trawienia wydłuża się, więc nie ma różnicy czy wszamam to na raz czy nie. liczy się dzienne zapotrzebowanie kaloryczne i tyle.
dochodzi do tego jeszcze fakt, że krótkotrwała np 16 godzinna głodówka przyspiesza metabolizm i spalanie tłuszczu i mamy idealne warunki dla rozwoju sylwetki.
Zmieniony przez - cykloop w dniu 2011-05-08 15:52:44
Google: Przewodnik po Leangains
wszystko na temat diet przerywanej głodówki.
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skalar- spoko, ale serio wiem co i gdzie sie trawi moze uzylem jakkiegos skrotu myslowego, ale nie podwazam rzeczy niepodwazalnych oraz...
nie o tym byl temat co i gdzie tylko czas POZOSTANIA wybranych produktow w zolądku aby podkreslic błedy powtarzane na forum przez niektorych
Zmieniony przez - ****master w dniu 2011-05-08 16:25:27
nie o tym byl temat co i gdzie tylko czas POZOSTANIA wybranych produktow w zolądku aby podkreslic błedy powtarzane na forum przez niektorych
Zmieniony przez - ****master w dniu 2011-05-08 16:25:27
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