Ted Wong mówi o Jeet Kune Do- video

Merkavoth, I was looking at your homepage.

1. How many times have you been to America and Training
2. I saw a certificate from the Inosanto Acadey. I have seen so many different certificates give my Dan Inosonato. Could you please explain what this certificate means.
3. Did you get a certificate rank in JKD?

As soon as Michail puts up a videoclip from his stay with me you will see some of my credentials in JKD, some material from my 10 or so Trips to America to get JKD information, New York, San Francisco, and oakland, Seattle, Los angeles, even Las Vegas. And these were on separate ocassions, not one trip to make as many photographs from "famous Bruce Lee sites" to market myself as a JKd instructor.

This is to me part of the JKd problem. many people visit the Gravesite, get some pictures, pay for seminars at the Inosanto Academy, receive som certificate and signed Pictures etc and then come back to Europe and pose as a Legitimate JKD instructor. I am not saying that you are one of these, i just hope that you see this as an oppurtunity to sort out who is who in JKD Poland. That you share my ambition to put a stop to all the "fourtune seekers" and "JKD wannabe instructors" in Europe.

PS. I was told a funny story from a guy in Romania. He showed certificates he had received from Seattle era instructors, Oakland era instructors and los angeles era instructors. The thing was that he showed a oakland certificate signed my james Yim Lee. THE GUY HAS BEEN DEAD FOR OVER 30 YEARS . This just shows the length some frauds go to make money from JKD. It is time for the legitimate instructors to start to fight back. Not for our owb ´s sake, but for the respect to Bruce Lee.

I hope that you all agree who read this.

/SteFan

/SteFan

cordx, I am sorry, it was not my intention to forget you.

Well, if a picture of ted Wong JKD and myself is presenting itself you probably know my answe

1. I do chi Sau from my On Guard, not a square Wing Chun Stance. Again, look att any Concepts Clip, what do they have for stance. are they doing JKD or simply Wing Chun, or Chi sau from a modifeied Boxing Stance with Groin unprotected. Again 50/50, I prefer to "practice to make thigs Perfexct", and therefore I only Train Chi sau from my On Guard with JKD Shuffling Footwork. Not better or worse, just another, NEW, point of view on JKD Trapping and Chi sau

2. Simplicity! Just as my Trapping I train only a few Practical applicataions from Chi sau. techniques that were taught to me by Taky Kimura and Chris sato from my stays in Seattle. I have also trained at seminars with Jesse Glover and james deMile and have researched what Bruce Lee taught them. Finally I have trained wing Tsun under Emin Botzepe Organization in Sweden. But the main inspiration comes from ted Wong, and he always says that trapping (and Chi Sau) is a "one shot deal", Forget all about Compund Trapping and fancy demonstration of techniques from Phoon sau,

I hope this answers you question. On You Tube you will find some trapping clips, you might even see me performing some Chi sau on some old clips. Please be free tro put any clip up on this Forum to ask me any question what and why I am demonstrating something in his range. I will do my best to answe you

/SteFan

As I told before (it might have been in Polish, so I'm not accusing you of not reading ) I train under instructor Robert Karpinski. Unfortunately, I personally haven't been able to meet the gurus as yet, but Robert attended trainings under Dan Inosanto for 2 months during his trip (please visit the blog from this journey - http://robertkarpinski.blogspot.com/ , it is unfortunately in Polish, but some things Michal will be able to translate to you and you always can see the fabulous photos )

Robert has been in Thailand training Muay Thai for 2 months, and by a cool twist of luck he met Matt Teasdale there, an instructor in Ron Balicki's school in England. Matt has been befriended with our school ever since and that is the main reason why Ron Balicki himself is coming to Poland for a seminar this month.

After the 2 months in Thailand, Robert voyaged half the globe to spend another 2 months in Martial Arts Academy of Dan Inosanto in Los Angeles. He attended classes couple times a day there, to the point of body's limits. The certificate which he received is making him Inosanto's student, grade 3. He is not a full instructor and we are not afraid to say it out loud
As far as I'm informed, there are 9 grades in Inosanto's Academy. In that chart, Robert is like here:

seminar attendant
/\
1.
2.
3. Robert
1a.
2a.
3a.
1b.
2b.
3b. Ron Balicki
\/
Dan Inosanto

After the seminar in Lodz, Robert will try to receive 1a. grade.
The only thing that stopped him from reaching even more is, he doesn't want to let us, his students, to be left without a trainer. It is a kind of guy who always chooses our good before his, regardlessly of his own desires
So no, I don't consider myself, nor Robert, a show-off, becoming full-instructor after one day seminar :D Hard work is the only thing that gets anyone there!

Sorry, I'm having a jolly atmosphere today
Cheers!

Zmieniony przez - Merkavoth w dniu 2008-11-08 22:04:51

Merkavorth, from your replies I conclude that you aren't reading whole of my posts and posts which Stefan wrote either, or you don't understand them as they should be understood.

First of all in the old post I wrote about scientific structure of JKD on guard stance, then I gave the examples connected with literature I mean take any poem of a famous or infamous writer, as you like, then add to it couple of verses, from for example Homers "Troya" after that add some of the passages from for example epic, and at the end add some of your own words. Now after you do that can you still call that poem the authentic poem of the writer? Would it have the same sense? Even the interpratation will be different as well as the structure. So you won't be able to call it poem of that famous or infamous artist, right?

Secondary, you said that you don't know exactly where I live becouse I didn't put it in my profile. This shows that you are not reading what I wrote carefully or you have bad memory.
I wrote that I live in Brodnica couple of times.

You asked me which video of yours and where I saw. I have clearly stated which one and where- THE ONE ON YOUR WEBSITE WHICH WERE CALLED " DEMO SZKOLY". This video. What's more when you talk to me about the market principles, thank you very much for explaining me your approach towards martial arts And what's more from this video I concluded that the "thing" that you train is so different from JKD that I train and from the video of Inosanto and his on guard I will say that he is showing the On guard of modern boxing with right leg in front and rear heel raised up. AND THIS IS SO DIFFERENT FROM the On guard which is being thought by Ted Wong as well as Stefan Nikander and as well as me.

What's more there is no need Stefan to put some videos to explain what he is talking about as 1. he clearly said about the structre in his earlier post and 2. he said that you may find and post it by yourself and if you have some questions he will simply and willingly give you the answer on the forum about the subject that bites you are isn't enough clear for you.

Anyway, reading your post about mr. Karpinski- your trainer, and his achievements It's now even more wierd and strange to me that you heard about "27 different MA as JKD approach" on this forum and never before. As Ron Balicki, Paul Vunak are clearly stating that ( read their books) as his student is friend of yours trainers then he should inform your trainer on that. Dan Inosanto is clearly stating that- in fact he was the "inventor" of this idea.
This shows me the problem about JKD concepts there are so many instructors who learned from so many masters that each of his JKD is completely something else, one of the JKD concepts instructor will say that to him JKD doesn't exist and only the idea counts, in fact saying that there is no JKD only philosphy, some other would say JKD is the philosophy and Jun Fan gung Fu is the base system, other would say JKD is 27 different martial arts mixed into one, another would say there are Jun Fan ( martial arts) which is Jun Fan kickboxing, Jun Fan trapping, Jun Fan grappling and this all mixed in one is JKD. See this shows how the founder or maybe his students are changing the mind about what is JKD.
I dare to say that in Poland, there is an approach that JKD is one of the first MMA. And that JKD is simply "whatever you want".

In JFJKD such divergence doesn't exist, becouse of the clear structre and becouse it accords to Bruce Lee's words.
Simply becouse here quality is above quantity.

Do you remember the letter from Bruce Lee to Jerry Poteet which I translated and posted on this forum? Try to remind those last lines, remember the garden of roses will yield with roses, garden of violets will yield with violets.


It would be great if someone of you would finally answer the Stefan question instead of only asking the questions, getting answers and disapearing from the discussion.





/Michal

Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-11-09 23:57:19

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Zmieniony przez - MichalJF w dniu 2008-11-10 01:58:19

Um, hello? I just answered the 3 questions pointed out by Stefan?..
The reason people leave the discussion is they get tired with one-way tirade cut-ins. You Michal do not seek peace, therefore I end my part in the dialogue.

I too would rather simply show you what "my incoherent approach" is capable of. And I would.
Time is precious, talk is futile, especially here.
Keep blabbing while I'll continue my path towards my personal liberation.

I am quite new on this Forum. If there is a videoclip like the one Michail is talking about, I would be more than glad to see it.

Lets not get hang up if someone is repeating himself,we all have our reasons for interpretating answers we give and recieive. I might think that I have given an answer to a speific question, but the person who asked that question did not see the answe to that specific question.

So if someone is repeating himself. Just bare with them and answer it again, or ask the question again. Leave ego and disput outside of the Forum. Have patience with each other, this is the only way I think we will get soemwhere.

I have bben trying to get a picture of the situation in Poland. it is a little bit difficukt since I don´t speak Polish, and every Web Page I visit has hundreds of famous JKd personalities listed.

I would like it to be explained to me who is who in Poland. I am quite sure that if I see cass Magda, Tim tacket, dan Inosanto, Ruichard Bustillo, Bob Breen names listed on a web page this doesn´t mean that this person is authorized by all these people. I am not even sure that this means that this person is claiming that he has trained with all these people. Could someone give a picture of who is certified and represents of what in Poland.

This is what I have Found.

1. Michail-Stefan Nikander-ted Wong

2.One wepage with Sifu Wojciech Adamusik, pionieren JKD W Polske
-Lineage?
- who is he connected to from seminars

3. Jeet Kune Do; Institut Sportow walki samo.....
- Rick Yung Student?

4. Akademia Sztuk walki
- Pawta Krazenwskiego ?

I see these as the 4 main JKD representatives in Poland. Robert karpinski is a name that might be important, I don´t know. I would be glad if someone could sort out this for me. Who is who? Who is certified by Who? Who simply is representing whom. Who is simply making up stories to represent this and that.

This is by my oppinion the first step towards working together. Honestly questioning each others lineage. Looking for facts from people who claim this and that. I am quite sure that people who have authentic linege will agree with me, will have no problems presenting their lineage, and having no problem for oothers to check out what they are claiming from the source itself. For example, if someone is claiming to be a Inosanto instructor it is easy to contact the Inosanto Academy and chech the facts.

It is the ones that only have made then selves authirized and certified authentic JKD instructors that will start to say that this is just "making a Fuss about JKD"

So lets put all the cards on the table, who is who in JKD Poland, and lets go from there. I hope that there will be at least 4 persons who share my ambition, who wants to put stop the people who are misleading the public. We just have to wait and see.

/SteFan

Ok, now I'm talking straight to you, Stefan.
Please, don't be naive... no one, who hasn't got a real certificate dubbing him the instructor in something, will simply tell you this. This topic will be silent as hell.
1. Language barrier.
2. People claiming to have the certificate against the truth will remain silent.
3. Those outside the inner circle of ppl from point 2. won't be able to state with 100% certainty that those people are imposters.

It's hard to say about a lineage when concerning Robert Karpinski, as he learns both from Dan Inosanto, Ron Balicki & Matt Teasdale (as well as many more), and those people would present a different level on such lineage.

Well, I don´t see the problem you see. You are talking about "learning from this and that person". If I go to this and that seminar, does it make a instructor or knowledgable person in that "this or rhat"

This is part of the problem. Yoy attend a 10 hour seminar with Inosanto, take somne pictures with him, get a certificate from the seminar, and Hokus pokus you are a instructor.

How hard is it to find these people.Where is the problem, I donýt see it. If they say like you pointed out, that they will not expose themselves by giving facts, being part of the discussion, They have already prooven my point.

So to me there is still no legitimate JKd instructors in this discussion. No I no for sure that one guy from Poland is in Scottland training with Rick Young and attending a Inosanto seminar. Unfortunately he is not able to answer me, but I am getting the feeling that this guy is one of the few authentic, sincere, truthful and honourabvle JKD inastructors in Poland.

If not yet a certified instructor, but as Michail, at least a person who is training under a authentic lineage to become one.

Michail can call himself a Ted Wong Lineage practioner through me, just as this guy can call himself a Inosanto Lineage practitioner Through Rick Young.

As far as the rest of the people, so far they are just JKD practitioners through their own imagined lineage to me. I am sure that Richard Bustillo is sanctioning someone, maybe Tim Tacket. I am only trying to sort out the facts about who is who.

can it really be that hard, or does some just don´t want this discussion. And if So, why do they not want it? There is a question for you?

/SteFan

The problem is, they won't say to you "We're not giving away facts" They simply will remain silent, so you won't ever be 100% sure.

And I wasn't speaking about attending 10 hour seminars in case of coach Robert, I was speaking about regular meetings with Matt Teasdale from Ron Balicki's english Phoenix Academy. As well as 2 month long meeting with guru Dan.

I have this strange feeling that the guy you are speaking about, the one in Scotland, is my friend and Robert's advanced student Piotr Owczarek He left Poland for Scotland to look for a job a year and a half ago, and eventually found his place in Rick Young's academy. Mind you, he still regards himself as coach Robert's student and plans to return to us to share his knowledge.
I suppose you don't realise how hard it is for a polish person to sacrifice whole life for martial arts. It isn't a profitable line of career here, not if you try NOT to be commercial. We try, Robert tries and in fact is stuck here to make a living. The alternative would be to go after Piotr Owczarek and find a job closer to Inosanto Academy. Yet it is something your Michal can do, as he is 21 and without his own students. Robert wouldn't ever leave us without a teacher. This is a well-known struggle between self-developing and passing the knowledge on.

Zmieniony przez - Merkavoth w dniu 2008-11-11 10:24:35

Well, if you won´t be 100% sure because of the things you say, I would go with those who can 100% proove their authentity.

I have not given up beacuse there are so many Frauds out there. I will never give up and make it easy for them. I am quite sure that they want nothing more than me leaving them alone. i am sure that even on this Forum people wish that I would not give eveybody some ideas.

I definitely know hard it is in Poland to do the things I am blessed with in Sweden. This is one of the reasons I respect Michail so much, I know what a finacial sacrifice it is to travel to Hollan, sweden for his goals in martial arts.

What I more admire him fore is that he has decided not simply to go on one seminar with ted, open up a school, create a Web page and start "making money" out of this.

I am sure that I am quite ignorant when it comes to the JKD situation is poland. but hey, that is why I am no putting some extra effort on this forum. I am open minded, jst as when I visited Romania, i would nothing more than learn something about the Polish people, the dream is to visit you and hopefuly share some polish hospitality.

We just have to see if this will happen in the future. If it does, I would be more than honoured by an invitation to poland, sharing my knowledge and experience with you.

/Stefan