Cel - Endogenny HGH gróbo ponad normę :)

a i przydało by się napisać coś konstruktywnego xd ad. odczuć ,wniosków itp. bo ten temat(neuro) jest zbędnie imo demonizowany przez wielu.

GBL - ogarnąłem w 101% pod BB i wellB; ,podstawa to POSIŁEK; po dawce KAŻDEJ ,czysty oczywiście ,nie ze względów kcal typowo ,co raczej by nie obciążać układu trawiennego zbędnie; ,może być tłuszczowo-białkowy; polecam nawet przekąski; odżywcze po KAŻDEJ dawce, tj. wiem ,że można nawet spokojnie 10+ w ciągu dnia ogarnąć bez jakichkolwiek odczuć "negatywnych; (mam na myśli też działanie neuro;) ,-jajka gotowane; z 'smakiem' ,warzywkami i lniannym/tranem to super rozwiązanie; ,a i polecam tran; bardziej niż lnianny.
..te posiłki/przekąski to też rozwiązanie problemu GASTRO przy którym MJ siada) .

skóry jakość na GBLu/GHB się raczej 'nie poprawi; więc prysznic 2x dziennie obowiązkowo;

Stosowałeś kiedyś mirtazapine, w celu poprawy snu? Jakieś spostrzeżenia?

tak, spostrzeżeń dużo bardzo, najgorsze to supress TNFalfa/ ,ogólnie środek pólka sama dla siebie; coś konkretniej?

Z konkretniejszych; czy łatwiej zasypiać? Jak z energią w ciągu dnia? Krócej/dłużej spałeś? Czy próbowałeś może podczas cyklu z trenem? Warto/nie warto?

najpierw polecam melatoninę; 10-20mg ,ligany CB; teaina) ,coś działającego na GABĘ ,czy to gaba w prochu czy Inhibitor typu Depakina; ...mirtazapina uśpi idealnie ,w sumie imo to najlepszy środek nasenny na świecie; serio mówię; bierzesz pod jezyk i sie kładziesz; 5-10minut i cię nie ma; ,dawka 15mg wystarczy.. nawet mniej mógłbyś spróbować najpierw ,polecam forme podjęzykową tj. Mirtor ,jego działanie jest szybsze i w ogóle jakieś bardziej odczuwalne niż forma do łykania; ,nie wystrasz się snów i podróży w śnie; ...czasem mi sie wydawało ,że on uwidaczniał'' aktywność 2giej półkuli mózgu w nocy xd; ..nocne przenoszenie się w inne wymiary przy nim nabiera realnego xd namacalnego; znaczenia.

czas snu jest zależny od dawki; i organizmu oczywiście ,krócej nie pośpisz raczej;

w ciągu dnia nic nie odczówałem ,czy to na - czy + jeśli chodzi o fizyczne odczucia.

a i co do poranków; ,potrzeba ok 5-20minut na 'dojście; do siebie, buzz jest taki spokojny max.

a ułatwi zawsze obudkę' cynk; +np. Mg z b6 ,to czuć.
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Zmieniony przez - thatman w dniu 2012-07-27 20:28:39

Dzięki, więc przetestuje sobie dzisiaj. Melatoninę już przerabiałem.

mind refresz dla niekumatych w ogóle 1.1
,bardzo ciekawie opisana toxyczność GBLa; wiadomo rozpuszczalnik nie?;

art z drugs-forum by frogman; ładnie poskładał to i owo;

Swim has been regularly using 1,4- Butandiol and is very interested to know if any swimmers out there have come across substantive toxicity information, particularly renal and hepatic toxicity.
To which I reported my dog's experience, albeit subjective, of having nothing but positive results from using BDO for some months.

Then catseye chimed in with:

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yes, they ARE toxic
And provided a snippet from a report. If you take the time to dig up the actual report and not read the Cliff's Notes version you would have found the Conclusion.

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CONCLUSIONS
The health risks of 1,4-butanediol are similar to those of its counterparts, γ-hydroxybutyrate and γ-butyrolactone. These include acute toxic effects, which may be fatal, and addiction and withdrawal.
Emphasis Added

It has been widely reported that responsible use of GHB (γ-hydroxybutyrate) produces no long term negative effects. It has also been concluded, after 30+ years of research that moderate use actually improves liver function.

To answer the question: "Is 1,4 BDO going to damage my liver and kidneys?" With: "yes, they ARE toxic" is reactionary, ill-informed and just plain wrong. Is 14BDO/GHB/GBL acutely toxic? Without a doubt. Many things are acutely toxic yet completely safe, if not healthful, in appropriate amounts.

Furthermore, to say, "there is always potential for serious harm or death when dealing with solvents" is irresponsible. If you really want to be worried about a dangerous solvent that people (ab)use every day, let's take a look at Dihydrogen Monoxide.

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Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol.

Should I be concerned about Dihydrogen Monoxide?

Yes, you should be concerned about DHMO! Although the U.S. Government and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) do not classify Dihydrogen Monoxide as a toxic or carcinogenic substance (as it does with better known chemicals such as hydrochloric acid and benzene), DHMO is a constituent of many known toxic substances, diseases and disease-causing agents, environmental hazards and can even be lethal to humans in quantities as small as a thimbleful.

Research conducted by award-winning U.S. scientist Nathan Zohner concluded that roughly 86 percent of the population supports a ban on dihydrogen monoxide. Although his results are preliminary, Zohner believes people need to pay closer attention to the information presented to them regarding Dihydrogen Monoxide. He adds that if more people knew the truth about DHMO then studies like the one he conducted would not be necessary.

A similar study conducted by U.S. researchers Patrick K. McCluskey and Matthew Kulick also found that nearly 90 percent of the citizens participating in their study were willing to sign a petition to support an outright ban on the use of Dihydrogen Monoxide in the United States.

Why haven't I heard about Dihydrogen Monoxide before?

Good question. Historically, the dangers of DHMO, for the most part, have been considered minor and manageable. While the more significant dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide are currently addressed by a number of agencies including FDA, FEMA and CDC, public awareness of the real and daily dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide is lower than some think it should be.

Critics of government often cite the fact that many politicians and others in public office do not consider Dihydrogen Monoxide to be a "politically beneficial" cause to get behind, and so the public suffers from a lack of reliable information on just what DHMO is and why they should be concerned.

Part of the blame lies with the public and society at large. Many do not take the time to understand Dihydrogen Monoxide, and what it means to their lives and the lives of their families.

Unfortunately, the dangers of DHMO have increased as world population has increased, a fact that the raw numbers and careful research both bear out. Now more than ever, it is important to be aware of just what the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide are and how we can all reduce the risks faced by ourselves and our families.

What are some of the dangers associated with DHMO?

Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment. Some of the known perils of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:

Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.
DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
Contributes to soil erosion.
Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks.
Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and elsewhere, and in hurricanes including deadly storms in Florida, New Orleans and other areas of the southeastern U.S.
Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect.


What are some uses of Dihydrogen Monoxide?

Despite the known dangers of DHMO, it continues to be used daily by industry, government, and even in private homes across the U.S. and worldwide. Some of the well-known uses of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:

as an industrial solvent and coolant,
in nuclear power plants,
by the U.S. Navy in the propulsion systems of some older vessels,
by elite athletes to improve performance,
in the production of Styrofoam,
in biological and chemical weapons manufacture,
in the development of genetically engineering crops and animals,
as a spray-on fire suppressant and retardant,
in so-called "family planning" or "reproductive health" clinics,
as a major ingredient in many home-brewed bombs,
as a byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion in furnaces and air conditioning compressor operation,
in cult rituals,
by the Church of Scientology on their members and their members' families (although surprisingly, many members recently have contacted DHMO to vehemently deny such use),
by both the KKK and the NAACP during rallies and marches,
by members of Congress who are under investigation for financial corruption and inappropriate IM behavior,
by the clientele at a number of bath houses in New York City and San Francisco,
historically, in Hitler's death camps in Nazi Germany, and in prisons in Turkey, Serbia, Croatia, Libya, Iraq and Iran,
in World War II prison camps in Japan, and in prisons in China, for various forms of torture,
during many recent religious and ethnic wars in the Middle East,
by many terrorist organizations including al Quaeda,
in community swimming pools to maintain chemical balance,
in day care centers, purportedly for sanitary purposes,
by software engineers, including those producing DICOM programmer APIs and other DICOM software tools including DICOM routers,
by popular computer science professors,
by the semi-divine King Bhumibol of Thailand and his many devoted young working girls in Bangkok,
by the British Chiropractic Association and the purveyors of the bogus treatments that the BCA promotes,
by commodities giant Trafigura in their well-publicized and widely-known toxic-waste dumping activities in Ivory Coast,
in animal research laboratories, and
in pesticide production and distribution.


What you may find surprising are some of the products and places where DHMO is used, but which for one reason or another, are not normally made part of public presentations on the dangers to the lives of our family members and friends. Among these startling uses are:

as an additive to food products, including jarred baby food and baby formula, and even in many soups, carbonated beverages and supposedly "all-natural" fruit juices
in cough medicines and other liquid pharmaceuticals,
in spray-on oven cleaners,
in shampoos, shaving creams, deodorants and numerous other bathroom products,
in bathtub bubble products marketed to children,
as a preservative in grocery store fresh produce sections,
in the production of beer by all the major beer distributors,
in the coffee available at major coffee houses in the US and abroad,
in Formula One race cars, although its use is regulated by the Formula One Racing Commission, and
as a target of ongoing NASA planetary and stellar research.


One of the most surprising facts recently revealed about Dihydrogen Monoxide contamination is in its use as a food and produce "decontaminant." Studies have shown that even after careful washing, food and produce that has been contaminated by DHMO remains tainted by DHMO.

What is the link between Dihydrogen Monoxide and school violence?

A recent stunning revelation is that in every single instance of violence in our country's schools, including infamous shootings in high schools in Denver and Arkansas, Dihydrogen Monoxide was involved. In fact, DHMO is often very available to students of all ages within the assumed safe confines of school buildings. None of the school administrators with which we spoke could say for certain how much of the substance is in use within their very hallways.

How does Dihydrogen Monoxide toxicity affect kidney dialysis patients?

Unfortunately, DHMO overdose is not unheard of in patients undergoing dialysis treatments for kidney failure. Dihydrogen Monoxide overdose in these patients can result in congestive heart failure, pulmonary edema and hypertension. In spite of the danger of accidental overdose and the inherent toxicity of DHMO in large quantities for this group, there is a portion of the dialysis treated population that continues to use DHMO on a regular basis.

Are there groups that oppose a ban on Dihydrogen Monoxide?

In spite of overwhelming evidence, there is one group in California that opposes a ban on Dihydrogen Monoxide. The Friends of Hydrogen Hydroxide is a group that believes that the dangers of DHMO have been exaggerated. Members claim that Dihydrogen Monoxide, or the less emotionally charged and more chemically accurate term they advocate for it, "Hydrogen Hydroxide," is beneficial, environmentally safe, benign and naturally occurring. They argue that efforts to ban DHMO are misguided.

Friends of Hydrogen Hydroxide is supported by the Scorched Earth Party, a radical and loosely-organized California-based group. Sources close to the Scorched Earth Party deny any outside funding from government, industry or pro-industry PACs.

Is it true that using DHMO improves athletic performance?

Absolutely! With the numerous allegations of amateur and professional athletes using anabolic steroids and/or blood doping to enhance performance, virtually no attention has been paid to the performance enhancing properties of Dihydrogen Monoxide. It is perhaps the sporting world's dirtiest of dirty little secrets that athletes regularly ingest large quantities of DHMO in an effort to gain a competitive edge over an opponent.

One technique commonly used by endurance athletes in sports such as distance running and cycling is to take a large amount of DHMO immediately prior to a race. This is known within racing circles to dramatically improve performance.

Sports-medicine physicians warn that ingesting too much Dihydrogen Monoxide can lead to complications and unwanted side-effects, but do acknowledge the link to improved performance. DHMO is not currently considered a banned substance, so post-race urine tests do not detect elevated or abnormal levels of DHMO.

Can using DHMO improve my marriage?

This is a popular myth, but one which is also actually supported by a number of scientific facts. Dihydrogen Monoxide plays an instrumental role in the centers of the brain associated with feelings of emotional attachment and love. Married couples have found that regular ingestion of DHMO can improve their marriage-related activities, while couples that never ingest DHMO often find that their marriage suffers as well.

What are the symptoms of accidental Dihydrogen Monoxide overdose?

You may not always recognize that you have been a victim of accidental DHMO overdose, so here are some signs and symptoms to look for. If you suspect Dihydrogen Monoxide overdose, or if you exhibit any of these symptoms, you should consult with your physician or medical practitioner. The data presented here is provided for informational purposes only, and should in no way be construed as medical advice of any sort.

Watch for these symptoms:

Excessive sweating
Excessive urination
Bloated feeling
Nausea
Vomiting
Electrolyte imbalance
Hyponatremia (serum hypotonicity)
Dangerously imbalanced levels of ECF and ICF in the blood
Degeneration of sodium homeostasis


A recently noted medical phenomenon involves small amounts of DHMO leaking or oozing from the corners of the eyes as a direct result of causes such as foreign particulate irritation, allergic reactions including anaphylactic shock, and sometimes severe chemical depression.

What is a chemical analysis of Dihydrogen Monoxide?

Recently, German analytical chemist Christoph von Bueltzingsloewen at the Universitaet Regensburg identified what may be key reasons why the dangers of DHMO are ever present. According to von Bueltzingsloewen, the chemical separation of dihydrogenoxide from the hazardous oxygendihydride is extremely difficult. The two similar compounds curiously occur in nearly equimolar distribution wherever they are found. It is not clear how the two contribute directly to the dangers inherent in Dihydrogen Monoxide, although von Bueltzingsloewen believes that a synergetic mechanism, catalyzed by traces of hydrogenhydroxide, plays a major role.

What can I do to minimize the risks?

Fortunately, there is much you can do to minimize your dangers due to Dihydrogen Monoxide exposure. First, use common sense. Whenever you are dealing with any product or food that you feel may be contaminated with DHMO, evaluate the relative danger to you and your family, and act accordingly. Keep in mind that in many instances, low-levels of Dihydrogen Monoxide contamination are not dangerous, and in fact, are virtually unavoidable. Remember, the responsibility for your safety and the safety of your family lies with you.

Second, exercise caution when there is the potential for accidental inhalation or ingestion of DHMO. If you feel uncomfortable, remove yourself from a dangerous situation. Better safe than sorry.

Third, don't panic. Although the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide are very real, by exercising caution and common sense, you can rest assured knowing that you are doing everything possible to keep you and your family safe.
If you have not figured it out by now Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is actually WATER (H2O).

Hopefully you appreciate my tongue-in-cheek way of demonstrating that anything, even something as benign an necessary as water can be demonized with the proper application of propaganda. Did you recognize any of the BUZZ phrases often associated with GHB/GBL/1,4BDO in the text? Of course you did.

People are just too comfortable with using negatively charged words like SOLVENT and TOXIC to raise the ire of people when they do not have enough science to support their position.

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Zmieniony przez - thatman w dniu 2012-07-30 14:41:26

nie czytałem całego wątku, więc jeśli się powtórzę to proszę mnie nie opieprzać.
odnośnie GBL - podnosi również prolaktynę, więc przemyśl dodanie wit.B6.
co jaki czas będziesz podawać te 10x 1ml ?

jeśli chodzi o skutki uboczne GBL, to ja zauważyłem u siebie biegunki i bóle brzucha.

podnosi; to widać i czuć) spokojnie b6 podstawowo; ale i Damiana; i więcej kofaktorów lub jak się zanudzi;, czy dla zmiany Piribedil jest) ...zapinka 101;

dawki z 10x1 są dead; 3x1,5 obecnie ,ew. 2x 1,5 i wieczorem 1,5+1,5 ,takie dawkowanie samo wychodzi w trakcie ,tylko trzeba być na 101; ,10x1 okazały się nie najlepszym rozwiązaniem .tym bardziej ,że DLPA supressuje konkretnie pea i co ważniejsze l-dopę; ,za - dużo dopaminy i organizm przy Selegilinie ma kupę" l-dopy wystarczająco by z syntezować/przekierować część na noradrenalinę... to się wyczuło poprostu tak ,że ...trzeba było to zUPdateować;
mogłem to napisać już ale czekałem z updejtem aż b15 się rozbuja z DLPA; i GBLem.

co do biegunek i brzucha.. pierwsze wywaliłem łącznie z drugimi przy 3ciej setce już; poczytaj temat, proste bardzo rozwiązanie.
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Zmieniony przez - thatman w dniu 2012-07-30 21:26:53

Zmieniony przez - thatman w dniu 2012-07-30 21:29:07

Zmieniony przez - thatman w dniu 2012-07-30 21:42:51

Thatman jak tam samopoczucie,jakies zmiany??