Ewolucja JKD

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Ewolucja JKD

Tao of Chinese Gung Fu - 1959 - 1962 San Francisco - California oraz Seattle - Washington.

Lee Jun Fan Gung Fu - 1962 - 1965 Seattle oraz Oakland - California

Jeet Kune Do Concepts - 1965 - ??? Los Angeles, California

Tao of Chinese Gung Fu was a name Bruce Lee chose on the certificates for his Celebrety Students like Steve Mqueen. It was never a early evolution of JKD. Jun fan Gung Fu was the method he taught from seatle to early Los angeles period. Then it changed to Jeet kune Do. Jeet Kune do concepts is the name chosen by Inosanto on HIS JKD interpretation. it is simply His evolution of what he learned from Bruce Lee. Concepts is a term Bruce Lee never used.

One of the most questionable facts about the JKD Concepts evolution is the statement that JKD is made out of 26 styles. This interpretation of JKD became more or less a fact after Paul Vunak published this interpretation in the Book "Jeet kune Do, it´s concepts and philosophies". The FACT of the matter is that Bruce never said this. What he said is that "I am having a Gung Fu system drawn up. It is made chiefly aour of Boxing, Fencing, and wing Chun. Boy, will it be it"

This is the fact. further facts are that in his 6 000 pages there is no mentioning of these 26 styles as Jeet Kune Do. It is simply a interpretation that has become a fact. There is also no mentioningof Concepts.

The only time Bruce lee mentioned something about a Concepts approach is when he wrote

"maturity does not mean to become a captive of coneptualization"

here are sopme other intresting facts about how bruce lee taught about his JKD

"Many martial artists like more, like something different"

Adding things to JKD and justifying this by claims that jeet kune do is made up of 26 styles to indicates the "need to like more". teaching Muay Thai, kali, silat, gracie and calling it a concept of JKD indicates to me that one has not reached maturity in JKD and that one is still caught up in the Classical mess.

What Bruce lee writes is about the JKD Stance, JKD Footwork, JKD tools etc, Not, wing Chun Stance, Kali footwork, Boxing tools. JKD has specifik principles, specifik techniques based upon these principles. Just as kali is based upon its specific principles, Thai Boxing upon its etc.

JKD Nucleus - Ted Wong, Dan Lee, Chris Kent, Richard Bustillo

Oryginalne JKD - Lamar Davis, Gary Dill

Strategie Walki JKD - Joe Lewis, Jerry Beasley

First of all, the current name is Bruce Lee educational foundation, not JKD Nucleous, but everybody probably knows that since this post was started a while back. Chris Kent, lamar Davis, Jerry Beasley never trained with bruce lee. Joe Lewis trained with bruce Lee, but did not consider himself his student, Jerryu Beasley represents Joey Lewis JKD?

Next time I will discuss the facts about what Bruce Lee was teaching. The claim that Bruce lee was changing style and techniques all the time. The view presented through the last 35 years is that Bruce Lee changed his JKD from seattle to los Angeles, and therefore his JKD would have continued to change like Concepts has changed it into a Filipino-MMA art.

I will of course present facts that this is not the case. I will share some facts about what Bruce lee was teaching and when. Original lesson plans from the evolution from seattle to los angeles.

/SteFan

W.A nie bede komentowal Twoich postow bo sa nie rzeczowe i odbiegaja od tematu. Nie bede sie zajmowal Twoimi osobistymi problemami. Nie gardzie nikim na tym forum i gdybys czytal uwaznie posty w j.angielskim napisane przeze mnie lub przez SteFana wiedzialbys ze nikogo nie obrazamy tylko przedstawiamy fakty. SteFan pomimo faktu ze uczyl sie prywatnie od Ted'a Wonga i jest u niego instruktorem. To cwiczyl rowniez z innymi orginalnymi uczniami Bruce'a takimi jak Jesse Glover, Taky Kimura, Dan Lee, Bob Bremer, Jerry Poteet, Pete Jacobs. Bral udzial w zjazdach JKD Nucleus. Wiec chyba przez sam fakt ze poprosilem SteFana zeby przedstawil co to jest JFJKD i czym sa JKD koncepcje, pomoglem. Pracuje rowniez nad zorganizowaniem seminarium JFJKD, ktore SteFan by poprowadzil. Dlatego nikogo nie doluje. A co do wyrabiania sobie opinii to na panski temat slyszalem wiele roznych rzeczy, typu uczenie ludzi materialu z kaset VHS zamowionych z USA, odgrywanie scenek z "wejscia smoka" przed swoimi uczniami, ponizanie innych osob. Nie mowie ze jest to fakt, wszystko to bylo swojego czasu to wyczytania na tym forum.

Here is polish translation of SteFan my JKD brother post about evolution of JKD:
Tutaj jest polskie tlumaczenie postu SteFana mojego brata w JKD na temat ewolucji JKD:

Porozmawiajmy o faktach.
" Ewolucja JKD

Tao of Chinese Gung Fu - 1959 - 1962 San Francisco - California oraz Seattle - Washington.

Lee Jun Fan Gung Fu - 1962 - 1965 Seattle oraz Oakland - California

Jeet Kune Do Concepts - 1965 - ??? Los Angeles, California "

Tao of Chinese Gung Fu bylo nazwal ktora Bruce wybral do nazwania certyfikatow swoich sławnych uczni takich jak Steve Mqueen. To nigdy nie byla wczesna ewolucja JKD. Jun Fan Gung Fu to byla metoda ktorej nauczal od czasu Seatlle do wczesnego okresu w Los Angeles. Pozniej zmienilo sie to w Jeet Kune Do. Jeet Kune Do koncepcje jest nazwa wybrana przez Inosanto dla JEGO interpretacji JKD. To jest po prostu Jego ewolucja w tym czego nauczyl sie od Bruce'a. Koncepcja jest pojeciem ktorego Bruce Lee nigdy nie uzyl.

Jednym z najbardziej spornych faktow na temat ewolucji JKD koncepcji jest stwierdzenie ze JKD jest stworzone z 26 roznych stylow walki. Ta interpretacja JKD przyjela sie bardziej lub mniej jako fakt po tym jak Paul Vunak opublikowal ta interpretacje w ksiazce "Jeet kune Do, it´s concepts and philosophies". Faktem w tej sprawie jest jednak to ze Bruce nigdy tego nie powiedzial. To co powiedzial to: " Mam zarysowany system Gung Fu. Jest glownie stworzony z boksu, szermierki i Wing Chun. Rany, to bedzie to".

To jest fakt. Nastepnymi faktami jest to ze w Jego 6 000 stronach notatek nie ma zadnego wspomnienia o tych 26 stylach walki jak Jeet Kune Do. To jest po prostu interpretacja ktora stala sie faktem. Nie ma takze wspomnienia o koncepcjach.

Jednym razem gdy Bruce wspominal cos o podejsciu konceptualnym mialo miejsce gdy napisal:

" Dojrzalosc nie oznacza bycie uwiezionym w konceptualnosci".

Tutaj sa nastepne interesujace fakty na temat tego jak Bruce myslal o JKD

"Wielu cwiczacych sztuki walki chce coraz to wiecej, coraz to cos innego".

Dodawanie rzeczy do JKD i usprawiedliwianie to stwierdzeniami ze JKD jest stworzone z 26 styli wskazuje na potrzebe "chce coraz to wiecej" . Nauczanie Muay Thai, kali, silatu, gracie JJ i nazywanie to koncepcja JKD wskazuje wedlug mnie to ze ta osoba nie osiagnela jeszcze dojrzalosci w JKD i ze ta osoba caly czas jest utkwiona w Klasycznym balaganie- Classical Mess.

To o czym Bruce Lee pisze to pozycja JKD, Praca Stop JKD, narzedzia JKD etc, a nie pozycja Wing Chun, praca stop Kali, narzedzia z boksu. JKD ma specyficzne pryncypia(zasady, wytyczne), specyficzne techniki oparte na tych pryncypiach. Tak samo jak Kali oparte jest na wlasnych specyficznych pryncypiach, Muay Thai oparte na swoich etc.

"JKD Nucleus - Ted Wong, Dan Lee, Chris Kent, Richard Bustillo

Oryginalne JKD - Lamar Davis, Gary Dill

Strategie Walki JKD - Joe Lewis, Jerry Beasley "


Po pierwsze obecna nazwa to Bruce Lee Educational Foundation, a nie JKD Nucleus, co zapewne wszyscy juz wiecie jako ze ten post byl juz rozpoczety wczesniej. Chris Kent, lamar Davis, Jerry Beasley nigdy nie trenowali z Bruce'em Lee. Joe Lewis trenowal z Bruce'em Lee ale nie uwazal siebie za Jego ucznia. Jerryu Beasley reprezentuje Joey Lewis JKD.

Nastepnym omowie to czego nauczal Bruce Lee. Twierdzenie ze Bruce Lee caly czas zmienial style i techniki. Obraz prezentowany przez ostatnie 35 lat jest taki ze Bruce Lee zmienil swoje JKD od Seatlle do Los Angeles i pod tym warunkiem Jego JKD mialoby dalej sie zmieniac tak jak Koncepcje zmienily sie w Filipińsko-MMA sztuke walki.

Oczywiscie przedstawie fakty ze nie jest to prawda. Podziele sie pewnymi faktami o tym czego nauczal Bruce i kiedy. Orginalny plany lekcji od ewolucji z Seatlle fo Los Angeles.

/SteFan

Thank you SteFan for a great post and for presenting the fact and for sharing knowledge about JKD. It is important to know for everyone that this is just a tip of the iceberg. What i hope is that on this forum Jeet Kune Do will have it seperate room and won't be here in MMA room.

W.A. haven't writed that JKD is a "made out from 26 styles" He wrtites its have some influences. Isn't that true? Bruce studied lot of MA, so can we say for sure that's incorrect?

You are correct, influenced. But I have read articles and have had discussions when people not say influenced, BUT "is made up of" more often than "influenced.

Intresting is, why are all the Concepts people training things that Bruce lee never chose to be more than an Influence in JKD. Worts yet, why are they calling it JKD!!!

i am glad that you pointed out this fact. Why don´t you, me and everybody else then decide that we will say from now.

Bruce was only influenced by Escrima for his movies. In his JKD he never used it. From Muay Thai Bruce lee was influenced how they put their hip into the kick, but in his JKD he didn´t choose to use The rear Leg thai kick. western wreslling, Ju Jutsu, China? he was influenced by what they were doing, but only because he wanted the knowledge how to deal with them. He did not choose to make a grappling art out of JKD.

Do you see my point. it is easy to misunderstand when everybody today in JKd Concepts are doing Muay Thai, Kali, Silat, BJJ that Bruce was not only INFLUENCED by them, in for example trainingmethods and attitude, he chose not to use the techniques from them, as many JKD practitioners do to day. It is easy to be decieived that he was actually doing this because of the statement of 26 styles and JKD and the heavyly influence from someones personal interpretation of martialarts/bruce lee and has chosen to base their personal style/JKD around kali, Muay Thai, Silat and BJJ.

And when asked about it. Well bruce lee´s jkd is made up of 26 styles, sorry....influnced by 26 styles. That is why we should.......

/SteFan

This is a fact that Bruce was looking in the different ways of fighting and that he was researching them. But like SteFan said it does not neccesarily mean that Bruce was putting that techniques into his JKD. Like Bruce once said about his JKD "It is western fencing without a foil".

Just to present both sides of the view I will share some concepts knowledge,

I read an article that intervied Inosanto back in 1993 and is named

My friend Bruce lee
a revealing chat with JKD Expert dan inosanto

Question:

A lot has been said about the origin of JKD. a student of yours, Paul Vunak, stated that it can be traced to 26 different elements. Is this true?

I will share with you his answer in case you have not read this interview, but not an a friday night. I am sitting with my family watching a family program. I sneaked away while there was a commercial break. I will not be able to write toolong. I hope that this will show that I am by no means only here to criticize the Concepts approach. My only goal is to share my JKD knowledge, mainly jun fan JKD of course. But I hope that you will understand that even though I mainly promote Jun fan JKD I have the highest respect for Inosanto and his JKD Concepts approach.

/StFan

dan Inosantos answer:

Well, it´s true in some sense that there were 26 different components to Bruce lee´s research. Bruce however, didn´t borrow equally from all styles. This illustration is comprabable to doing a resech paper and using 26 books. You take 10% from one book, 15% from another, and ignore another book completetly. But you would site all 26 in yout bibliography.

Looking att Bruce lee´s JKD we clearly see what he ignored completely, which styles he used more than other. Wing Chun, Boxing, Fencing! What i then wonder is why many today uses the elements he ignored in his JKD and still call it JKD. The answer comes from Inosanto where he explains the JKD Conceptss point of view to this.

question:
What were some of the 26 elements that provided the underpinnings of Jeet kune Do.

answer:
Bruce learned a lot about praying mantis in all its forms and Southern mantis. (???? I am having a gung Fu system, it is made up of chiefly, wing, chunn, fencing and Boxing, did he forget to mention that?)He tok what he liked, but someone going the same journey in JKD as Bruce might choose different elements. that´s why your JKD might be different than mine.


I don´t quite agree with this. I think that Bruce lee chose specific elements that suited his principles and meaning behind Jeet Kune do. He said "my truth is not your truth, and your truth is not my truth. So by chosing other elemnets than Bruce lee would not by my oppinion be "his/Bruce lee truth" it is simply your/Inosanto truth. He/Bruce lee named his truth Jeet kune do, Inosanto named his truth JKD Concepts. I think this is stretching the truth, naming whatever you want as JKD as long as what you are doing fits withing the 26 elementd/styles Vunak described. Why not simply call it martial arts Concepts, inosanto concepts. why put the name JKD to it when one has chosen different elements than the JKD suitable elements Bruce Lee chose for JKD.

This information is taken fron one of 30 interview articles i have with Inosanto. The earliest is from 1980. It is intresting too read how his definition about Jeet kune do has changed over the years. Besides these 30 interview I also have 30 of his Monthly Coloumn where he explains jeet Kune Do. Intresting reading, hope to share it with you in some form in the future

My "mission2 is to share all my JKD knowledge to everyone. By JKD knowledge I mean both my experiece from my JKD Concepts years as well as my jun fan JKD years. I simply want everyone to have as much knowledge about Bruce lee and JKD. With this knowledge they can the choose a concepts approach or a jun fan approach. They choose based upon facts, not myths.

/SteFan

In "videoclip with SteFan" you can find Stefan training JFJKD video clips and pictures of him with Ted Wong as well.

I assure you that soon I will post some clips from my JFJKD training with SteFan.

W temacie "videoclip with Stefan" mozecie obejrzec filmiki SteFana trenujacego JFJKD i zarowno zdjecia Jego z Ted'em Wongiem

Zapewniam was że wkrotce umieszcze wiecej filmikow z mojego treningu JFJKD ze Stefan'em.