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No to po paru tygodniach zabierania się do tego postu w końcu zaczęło się coś dziać

Będzie to kontynuacja lub jak kto woli uaktualnienie postu Maniac Gym'a " Wszystko o sterydach... " i mam nadzieje, że komuś się przyda.
Część rzeczy będzie w języku angielskim. Przykro mi z tego powodu ale chyba nikt o zdrowych zmysłach nie podejmie sie tłumaczenia na nasz język kilku stron maszynopisu...za darmo

No to do rzeczy.

ZANIM SIĘGNIESZ PO DOPING:

- http://www.sfd.pl/topic.asp?topic_id=48194 

- http://www.sfd.pl/topic.asp?topic_id=74852 (wejdź jak masz 16 lat)



**TRENING**:

- http://www.sfd.pl/topic.asp?topic_id=36416 (podstawy treningu)

- http://www.sfd.pl/topic.asp?topic_id=53402 (10 rad na mase)

- http://www.sfd.pl/Topic.asp?topic_id=34684&forum_id=8&Topic_Title=&forum_title=Trening (masa)

- http://www.sfd.pl/Topic.asp?topic_id=44817&forum_id=8&Topic_Title=&forum_title=Trening (11 zasad budowania masy)

- http://www.sfd.pl/Topic.asp?topic_id=49643&forum_id=8&Topic_Title=&forum_title=Trening (rzeźba 10 sposobów)

- http://www.sfd.pl/Topic.asp?topic_id=26353&forum_id=8&Topic_Title=&forum_title=Trening (trening areobowy)

- http://www.sfd.pl/Topic.asp?topic_id=52801&forum_id=8&Topic_Title=&forum_title=Trening (rzeźba)

- http://www.sfd.pl/Topic.asp?topic_id=47813&forum_id=8&Topic_Title=&forum_title=Trening (10 sposobów na przyspieszenie regeneracji)

- http://www.sfd.pl/topic.asp?topic_id=38441 (ciekawostki techniczne)

- http://www.sfd.pl/topic.asp?topic_id=68286 (najlepsze linki z treningu)



**ODŻYWIANIE**:

- http://www.sfd.pl/topic.asp?topic_id=50408 (podstawy odżywiania)

- http://www.sfd.pl/topic.asp?topic_id=29058 (najczęściej zadawane pytania o odżywianie)

- http://www.sfd.pl/topic.asp?topic_id=67093 (odżywianie a sterydy by D.Szukała)


**SUPLEMENTACJA**:


- http://www.sfd.pl/topic.asp?topic_id=69838 (wszystko o suplementach;elektrolity;alternatywa)

- http://www.sfd.pl/topic.asp?topic_id=50728 (witaminy i minerały)

- http://www.sfd.pl/Topic.asp?topic_id=46009&forum_id=12&Topic_Title=&forum_title=Suplementacja (najczęściej polecane suplementy)


**INJEKCJE**:
jak i gdzie kłuć aby niezrobić sobie krzywdy:

- http://www.kulturystyka.pl/art/injekcja.htm (technika injekcji)

- http://www.sfd.pl/topic.asp?topic_id=45459 (igły i nici)

- http://www.spotinjections.com (zdjęcia)


Po cyklu:

**ODBLOKOWANIE**


- http://www.sfd.pl/Topic.asp?topic_id=22249&forum_id=14&Topic_Title=&forum_title=Doping (zapobieganie spadkom)

- http://www.sfd.pl/topic.asp?topic_id=75294 (kiedy clomid?)

- http://www.sfd.pl/Topic.asp?topic_id=69819&forum_id=14&Topic_Title=&forum_title=Doping (test)


**OSŁONKI**:
- http://www.sfd.pl/topic.asp?topic_id=49565



**OGÓLNIE O SAA**:

- http://www.kulturystyka.pl/sterydy.htm (opisy wybranych sterydów)

- http://www.kulturystyka.pl/art/tamoxifen.htm (nolvadex)

- http://www.sfd.pl/Topic.asp?topic_id=9259&forum_id=14&Topic_Title=&forum_title=Doping (zwierzęce sterydy-boldenone)

-http://www.kulturystyka.pl/art/metandienon_su.htm (metanabol-skutki uboczne test)


**MĘSKIE PROBLEMY**:

- http://www.sfd.pl/Topic.asp?topic_id=34023&forum_id=14&Topic_Title=&forum_title=Doping (impotencja-informacje)

- http://www.sfd.pl/topic.asp?topic_id=74245 (przedwczesny wytrysk)

Myśle, ze tej części nie ma co ruszać tym bardziej, że spełniła swoje zadanie (została przeczytana ponad 4000 razy)

Jako alternatywę dla saa lub okres przygotowawczy do sięgnięcia po ciężką broń proponuje zajrzeć tu:

- http://www.sfd.pl/topic.asp?topic_id=6988 (Cykl Dąbka)

Znajdzie się też tu coś od starego dobrego Venoma ( btw powinno się podwieszać każdy post w którym udzielił jakiejkolwiek odpowiedzi )

Wykrywalność poszczególnych saa:

- http://www.sfd.pl/Topic.asp?topic_id=45705&forum_id=14&Topic_Title=&forum_title=Doping

- http://www.sfd.pl/topic.asp?topic_id=48194 ( tu jeszcze raz dla niecierpliwych, którzy po obejrzeniu filmu ze Schwarzeneggerem zaczynaja być guru na swoich siłowniach - może troche was to sprowadzi na ziemię )

Tu coś dla osób, które zastanawiają się dlaczego właśnie nolvadex a nie clomid. Ostatnio Lifter poruszał ten temat.

Clomid, Nolvadex and Testosterone Stimulation

I myself have always heard clomid post, nolva on hand incase of gyno simple as that this artical is trying to disagree with this "misconception" any thoughts?

Clomid, Nolvadex and Testosterone Stimulation
by William Llewellyn

Introduction


I have received a lot of heat lately about my preference for Nolvadex over Clomid, which I hold for all purposes of use (in the bodybuilding world anyway); as an anti-estrogen, an HDL (good) cholesterol-supporting drug, and as a testosterone-stimulating compound. Most people use Nolvadex to combat gynecomastia over Clomid anyway, so that is an easy sell. And for cholesterol, well, most bodybuilders unfortunately pay little attention to this important issue, so by way of disinterest, another easy opinion to discuss. But when it comes to using Nolvadex for increasing endogenous testosterone release, bodybuilders just do not want to hear it. They only seem to want Clomid. I can only guess that this is based on a long rooted misunderstanding of the actions of the two drugs. In this article I would therefore like to discuss the specifics for these two agents, and explain clearly the usefulness of Nolvadex for the specific purpose of increasing testosterone production.



Clomid and Nolvadex


I am not sure how Clomid and Nolvadex became so separated in the minds of bodybuilders. They certainly should not be. Clomid and Nolvadex are both anti-estrogens belonging to the same group of triphenylethylene compounds. They are structurally related and specifically classified as selective estrogen receptor modulators (SERMs) with mixed agonistic and antagonistic properties. This means that in certain tissues they can block the effects of estrogen, by altering the binding capacity of the receptor, while in others they can act as actual estrogens, activating the receptor. In men, both of these drugs act as anti-estrogens in their capacity to oppose the negative feedback of estrogens on the hypothalamus and stimulate the heightened release of GnRH (Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone). LH output by the pituitary will be increased as a result, which in turn can increase the level of testosterone by the testes. Both drugs do this, but for some reason bodybuilders persist in thinking that Clomid is the only drug good at stimulating testosterone. What you will find with a little investigation however is that not only is Nolvadex useful for the same purpose, it should actually be the preferred agent of the two.

Studies conducted in the late 1970's at the University of Ghent in Belgium make clear the advantages of using Nolvadex instead of Clomid for increasing testosterone levels (1). Here, researchers looked the effects of Nolvadex and Clomid on the endocrine profiles of normal men, as well as those suffering from low sperm counts (oligospermia). For our purposes, the results of these drugs on hormonally normal men are obviously the most relevant. What was found, just in the early parts of the study, was quite enlightening. Nolvadex, used for 10 days at a dosage of 20mg daily, increased serum testosterone levels to 142% of baseline, which was on par with the effect of 150mg of Clomid daily for the same duration (the testosterone increase was slightly, but not significantly, better for Clomid). We must remember though that this is the effect of three 50mg tablets of Clomid. With the price of both a 50mg Clomid and 20mg Nolvadex typically very similar, we are already seeing a cost vs. results discrepancy forming that strongly favors the Nolvadex side.



Pituitary Sensitivity to GnRH


But something more interesting is happening. Researchers were also conducting GnRH stimulation tests before and after various points of treatment with Nolvadex and Clomid, and the two drugs had markedly different results. These tests involved infusing patients with 100mcg of GnRH and measuring the output of pituitary LH in response. The focus of this test is to see how sensitive the pituitary is to Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone. The more sensitive the pituitary, the more LH will be released. The tests showed that after ten days of treatment with Nolvadex, pituitary sensitivity to GnRH increased slightly compared to pre-treated values. This is contrast to 10 days of treatment with 150mg Clomid, which was shown to consistently DECREASE pituitary sensitivity to GnRH (more LH was released before treatment). As the study with Nolvadex progresses to 6 weeks, pituitary sensitivity to GnRH was significantly higher than pre-treated or 10-day levels. At this point the same 20mg dosage was also raising testosterone and LH levels to an average of 183% and 172% of base values, respectively, which again is measurably higher than what was noted 10 days into therapy. Within 10 days of treatment Clomid is already exerting an effect that is causing the pituitary to become slightly desensitized to GnRH, while prolonged use of Nolvadex serves only to increase pituitary sensitivity to this hormone. That is not to say Clomid won't increase testosterone if taken for the same 6 week time period. Quite the opposite is true. But we are, however, noticing an advantage in Nolvadex.



The Estrogen Clomid


The above discrepancies are likely explained by differences in the estrogenic nature of the two compounds. The researchers' clearly support this theory when commenting in their paper, "The difference in response might be attributable to the weak intrinsic estrogenic effect of Clomid, which in this study manifested itself by an increase in transcortin and testosterone/estradiol-binding globulin [SHBG] levels; this increase was not observed after tamoxifen treatment". In reviewing other theories later in the paper, such as interference by increased androgen or estrogen levels, they persist in noting that increases in these hormones were similar with both drug treatments, and state that," …a role of the intrinsic estrogenic activity of Clomid which is practically absent in Tamoxifen seems the most probable explanation".

Although these two are related anti-estrogens, they appear to act very differently at different sites of action. Nolvadex seems to be strongly anti-estrogenic at both the hypothalamus and pituitary, which is in contrast to Clomid, which although a strong anti-estrogen at the hypothalamus, seems to exhibit weak estrogenic activity at the pituitary. To find further support for this we can look at an in-vitro animal study published in the American Journal of Physiology in February 1981 (2). This paper looks at the effects of Clomid and Nolvadex on the GnRH stimulated release of LH from cultured rat pituitary cells. In this paper, it was noted that incubating cells with Clomid had a direct estrogenic effect on cultured pituitary cell sensitivity, exerting a weaker but still significant effect compared to estradiol. Nolvadex on the other hand did not have any significant effect on LH response. Furthermore it mildly blocked the effects of estrogen when both were incubated in the same culture.



Conclusion


To summarize the above research succinctly, Nolvadex is the more purely anti-estrogenic of the two drugs, at least where the HPTA (Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular Axis) is concerned. This fact enables Nolvadex to offer the male bodybuilder certain advantages over Clomid. This is especially true at times when we are looking to restore a balanced HPTA, and would not want to desensitize the pituitary to GnRH. This could perhaps slow recovery to some extent, as the pituitary would require higher amounts of hypothalamic GnRH in the presence of Clomid in order to get the same level of LH stimulation.

Nolvadex also seems preferred from long-term use, for those who find anti-estrogens effective enough at raising testosterone levels to warrant using as anabolics. Here Nolvadex would seem to provide a better and more stable increase in testosterone levels, and likely will offer a similar or greater effect than Clomid for considerably less money. The potential rise in SHBG levels with Clomid, supported by other research (3), is also cause for concern, as this might work to allow for comparably less free active testosterone compared to Nolvadex as well. Ultimately both drugs are effective anti-estrogens for the prevention of gyno and elevation of endogenous testosterone, however the above research provides enough evidence for me to choose Nolvadex every time.

In next month's follow-up article I will be discussing the role anti-estrogens play in post-cycle testosterone recovery. Most specifically, I will be detailing what a proper post-cycle ancillary drug program looks like, and explain why anti-estrogens alone are not effective during this window of time.


References:

1. Hormonal effects of an antiestrogen, tamoxifen, in normal and oligospermic men. Vermeulen, Comhaire. Fertil and Steril 29 (1978) 320-7

2. Disparate effect of clomiphene and tamoxifen on pituitary gonadotropin release in vitro. Adashi EY, Hsueh AJ, Bambino TH, Yen SS. Am J Physiol 1981 Feb;240(2):E125-30

3. The effect of clomiphene citrate on sex hormone binding globulin in normospermic and oligozoospermic men. Adamopoulos, Kapolla et al. Int J Androl 4 (1981) 639-45

Artykól skopiowany z forum Professional Muscle.

Odchudzanie, odchudzanie...

"Raver's T-3 article"

This is one of my favorite articles. Here is what I have of it. I thought it would be a nice addition

Cytomel (Mexican Cynomel) Synthetic T-3 amd Clenbuterol Stacking - A Quick Weight Loss Solution
This is to be a far from scientific article, one based, rather, in practical experience in losing weight and helping others to lose weight. We are not, on the average, concerned with obese individuals, but those who have packed on an additional 12-25 pounds beyond what was expected in a traditional steroid cycle, and the weeks beyond.

Not all of us will gain this type of weight during a cycle, but those of us who use a high protein / high calorie diet in conjunction with heavy weight lifting, accompanied by a medium to high dosed androgenic (i.e., Dianabol, Testosterone, Trenbolone (Finaplix or Component T-H)) steroid cycle, will almost always pack on an additional 6-20 pounds of pure lard. Granted that Burger King, Hooters, and Papadeux are not on the traditional bodybuilders menu, many of us are either forced, or by personal inclination, choose to indulge in calorie/fat bombs in order to provide the necessary building blocks for muscle.
Who, after all, can subsist on 3-5 protein shakes a day? I certainly can't, and from what I've seen of the advice on the boards, a Whopper or 2 every other day seems to be the prescribed regimen for gaining LBM - the prized Lean Body Mass.
Let's look at that paradigm for a moment - LBM. Sure and granted, we all seek this Holy Grail of Bodybuilding, but too many novices and mid-level bodybuilders alike sacrifice gaining pure muscle mass, in favor of gaining 2-6 pounds of LBM with a $400 - $1100 steriod cycle - all because they want to stay lean.
I might be wrong (it's been known to happen, albeit once a year or so), but if I'm going to invest that kind of dough, I want to see some by God muscle appear. In order to build the kind of muscle I expect from a cycle, I need to consume 4000 - 6000 calories a day, depending upon what I'm doing (Touch Football, Softball, or Indoor Soccer season). Those calories don't ALL go towards LBM, many (sometimes too many) go towards pure lard.
Don't get me wrong, the intensity you apply in the gym does, in fact, burn some serious fat, while at the same time channeling blood, nutrients, and the cherished PUMP to your muscles. However, if you intend to gain serious mass, and here I give kudos to the WarPig, you'll bulk and bloat.
Damnit, the bloat. We don't want to look like Beachballs, we want to look like Footballs - tight, tapered, lean in all the right places. How to eat the necessary calories, the necessary protein, the absolutely essential, energy giving Carbohydrates, without the dreaded bloat?

Here's where the first application of T-3 comes in. I won't quote any studies (there are few), but from personal experience, and the experience of those amatuer and mid-level bodybuilders I've helped, a 25-50mcg dosage of T-3, per day, will help to reduce bloating and water retention, while at the same time enhancing the effect of whatever steriod (androgenic or anabolic) the user chooses. It won't, by any means, keep the mass from piling on, but it will eliminate the dreaded moon face and the hideous stomach bloat.

The second application of T-3 is intended to quickly reduce the blubber produced by a serious mass cycle, and ALWAYS, always includes Clenbuterol. Say, for example, you've done a Raver Cycle - 2g Test, 600mg Deca, and 50-75mg Dbol a day, for 12 weeks. You've devoured 3 Cornish Game Hens at a meal, wolfed down a double Whopper with cheese, but no Mayo every other day, and forced yourself to eat spaghetti with meatballs, cottage cheese, herb-seasoned chicken breasts, pork tenderloins, meatloaf, oatmeal, grits, and eggs, eggs, eggs, tuna tuna tuna, along with 2-3 daily protein shakes.
Trust me - you're fat. You look big as shit in the mirror, but you have no abs, no separation, and no definition. The remedy?
Weigh yourself. For every pound, use 1mcg of T-3. If you weigh 180, and you look fat, use 175mcg of T-3. If you weigh 250, and you look fat, use 250mcg of T-3. Round the dosage down to the nearest 25mcg, and stack Clenbuterol at 5-12 tabs a day for 6 weeks. Follow a CKD diet, such as Body Opus or Animalobolics, do 15-20 minutes of Cardio for the first 3 weeks, and watch the fat shed.

T-3 by itself produces sweat like there's no tomorrow - you'll have wet spots under your arms, under your pecs, in the crack of your ass, and, on your forehead. You might get the shakes.
T-3, stacked with Clenbuterol, will give you all of the above mentioned sweats, along with the shakes...your hands, your legs (stairs are really a bitch), and your neck, on occasion. If you have a job like mine, where the shakes are undesirable, use a potassium supplement or eat 2-3 bananas a day, it will alleviate them.

In summary, T-3 has two uses - eliminating bloat and water retention during a cycle, and rapid weight loss after a cycle. One of the things to remember while using this drug is that it DOES NOT DISCRIMINATE between LBM and pure fat - it eats tissue, period. I used T-3 exactly twice before figuring out that it should never be used without at least 400mg of Testosterone, preferably, in dieting mode, Propionate. A post cycle regimen of 1mcg T-3 per pound of bodyweight, along with Clenbuterol and a 50-100mg / day dosage of Test Prop, will work absolute wonders.
And now, for the Raver challenge (the third in 14 months) - If anyone - ANYONE can produce scientific, verifiable evidence that synthetic T-3 (Cytomel, Cynomel) causes thyroid shutdown in humans after prolonged, high dose use - I'll send them $100. A major medical journal, a study by a top 10 ranked pharmaceutical firm, or verifiable results of a personal medical evaluation (verifiable via documentation and confirmation by the physician) are acceptable. Barring that, let's not hear any further argument about the horrible side effects of T-3

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Autor: Raver.

HCG - także pada wiele pytań odnośnie tego środka.
HCG Info & Usage

This little article is from Muscletalk, by Bigfella:

HCG stands for Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin and is not a steroid, but a natural peptide hormone which develops in the placenta of pregnant women during pregnancy to controls the mother's hormones. (Incidentally, this is the reason you may hear of people testing for growth hormone (HGH) with a pregnancy testing kit - If their HGH shows 'pregnant', they've been ripped-off with cheaper HCG - but we digress slightly).

Its action in the male body is like that of LH, stimulating the Leydig cells in the testes to produce testosterone even in the absence of endogenous LH. HCG is therefore used during longer or heavier steroid cycles to maintain testicular size and condition, or to bring atrophied (shrunken) testicles back up to their original condition in preparation for post-cycle Clomid therapy. This process is necessary because atrophied testicles produce reduced levels of natural testosterone, this situation should be rectified prior to post-cycle Clomid therapy.

HCG administration post-cycle is common practice among bodybuilders in the belief that it will aid the natural testosterone recovery, but this theory is unfounded and also counterproductive. The rapid rise in both testosterone, and thus oestrogen due to aromatisation, from the administration of HCG causes further inhibition of the HPTA (Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis - feedback loop discussed above); this actually worsens the recovery situation. HCG does not restore the natural testosterone production.

The typically observed dosing of 2000 to 5000IU every 4 to 5 days causes such an increase in oestrogen levels via aromatisation of the natural testosterone that this has been responsible for many cases of gynecomastia.

From the above discussion it is clear that HCG is best used during a cycle, either to:

1) Avoid testicular atrophy, or
2) Rectify the problem of an existing testicular atrophy.

Doses of HCG
Smaller doses, more frequently during a cycle will give best overall results with least unwanted side effects. Somewhere between 500iu and 1000iu per day would be best over about a two-week period. These doses are sufficient to avoid/rectify testicular atrophy without increasing oestrogen levels too dramatically and risking gynecomastia. This dosing schedule also avoids the risk of permanently down-regulating the LH receptors in the testes

Pochodzi z Muscletalk
Autor: Bigfella

Clenbuterol FAQ napisany przez ANDY13 (skopiowany ze Steroidology Forum)

Clen FAQ by ANDY13

Clenbuterol FAQ: Everything you need to know about Clen
I wrote this because of all the confusion that surrounds this drug. Enjoy.

What is Clenbuterol?

Clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist and is used in many countries as a broncodilator for the treatment of asthma. Because of it's long half life, clenbuterol is not FDA approved for medical use. It is a central nervous system stimulant and acts like adrenaline. It shares many of the same side effects as other CNS stimulants like ephedrine. Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol has a half life of 35 hours and not 48 hours.

Dosing and Cycling

Clenbuterol comes in 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup, pump and injectable form. Doses are very dependent on how well the user responds to the side effects, but somewhere in the range of 5-8 tablets per day for men and 1-4 tablets a day for women is most common. Clenbuterol loses its thermogenic effects after 6-8 weeks when body temperature drops back to normal. It's anabolic/anti-catabolic properties fade away at around the 18 day mark. Taking the long half life into consideration, the most effective way of cycling clen is 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off for no more than 12 weeks. Ephedrine can be used in the off weeks.

Clenbuterol vs Ephedrine vs DNP

Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent and 200mg of DNP raises metabolic levels by about 30 percent. Clenbuterol raises metabolic levels about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several degrees.

DNP is by far the most effective fat burner but many people will never use it because of the risks associated with it. It also offers no anti-catabolic benefit. Although it does have anti-catabolic effect, ephedrine short half life prevents it from being all that effective.

As far as side effects, Clenbuterol's are certainly milder than DNP's, and some would even say milder than an ECA stack. There is no ECA-style crash on Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate and sex drive. This may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used for only 2 weeks at a time.

Side effects

NAUSEA
NERVOUSNESS
DIZZINESS
DROWSINESS
DRY MOUTH
FACIAL FLUSHING
HEADACHE
HEARTBURN
INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE
INCREASED SWEATING
INSOMNIA
LIGHTHEADEDNESS
MUSCLE CRAMPS
TREMORS
VOMITING
CHEST PAIN

The most significant side effects are muscle cramps, nervousness, headaches, and increased blood pressure.

Muscle cramps can be avoided by drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water and consuming bananas and oranges or supplementing with GNC potassium tablets at 200-400mg a day taken before bed on an empty stomach.

Headaches can easily be avoided with Tylenol Extra Strength taken at the first signs of a headache. You may need to take double the recommended dose.

Common Uses

Post-Cycle Therapy: Clen is used post cycle to aid in recovery. It allows the user to continue eating large amounts of food, without worrying about adding body fat. It also helps the user maintain more of his strength as well as his intensity in the gym. Diet: Roughly the same as on cycle.

Fat loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle hardness, vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the most significant fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein(1.5g per lb of bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet(0.25g per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.

Alternative to Steroids: Clenbuterol has mild steroid-like properties and can be used by non AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.

Stimulant/Performance Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA stack may be a better choice because of it's much shorter half-life. Diet: To take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, Carbs must be included in the diet. Keto diet do not work well in this case.

Precautions: Is Clen for you?

The same precautions that apply to Ephedrine must be applied to Clen, although some people find ECA stacks harsher than Clen. It should not be stacked with other CNS stimulants such as Ephedrine and Yohimbine. These combinations are unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Caffeine can be used in moderation before a workout for an extra kick, although its diuretic effects may shift electrolyte balance. Drink more water if you use Caffeine.

What else do I need to know?

Most users that report bad side effects and discontinue use are those who use high doses right at the start of the cycle. The worst side effects occur within the first 3-4 days of use.

A first time user should not exceed 40mcg the first day.

Example of a first cycle:

Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to normal gradually)
Day14: 60mcg
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Example of a second cycle:

Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100mcg
Day14: 80mcg
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Do not take Clen Past 4pm and drink plenty of water: 1.5-2 gallons a day.

All brands are not equal when it comes to Clen, different brands will yield different results.

That about covers everything.

Na sam koniec zamieszcze przykładowy cykl Doriana.

Jeszcze celem przypomnienia Andreas Munzer
- http://www.sfd.pl/Topic.asp?topic_id=82597&forum_id=14&Topic_Title=&forum_title=Doping

Jeden z cykli Doriana:

Genotropin 16 IE 7IU 3xDay (hGH)
Humalog 10IU 4xDay (insulin)
Anapolon 100mgs 4-5xDay
Metanabol 15-20mgs 5xDay
Finabolan 1500mgs week
Testosterone Suspension 1200mgs week
IGF-1/Prostaglandin 4xDay
Halotestin 10mgs 4xDay
Drolban 20mgs 5xDay
Triacana 25mcgs 3xDay (similar to cytomel)
Broncoterol "doesn't list"
Nandrolone Decanoate 1000mgs week
Diprospan
Primobolan Depot 600mg week
Stromba Tabs 100mgs day (Winstrol)
Zitazonium 10mgs 3xDay
Trenbolone Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate 1060mgs week (Parabolan)
Testosterone Enanthate 800mgs week
Boldenone Undecylenate 1200mgs week (EQ)
Clomiphene Citrate 150mgs day (Clomid)
Superbolin (Austrailian)
Pentastone 20mgs 2xDay
Testosterone Blend 1500mgs week (Sustanon?)
L-Dopa

Cykl ten znalazłem i skopiowałem z forum Anabolex.

Myśle, że w takiej formie nie jest to żadne łamanie prawa - jest zarówno autor jak i miejsce internetowe z którego dany artykół został skopiowany.

Wiadomo, że i w tym poście nie znalazło się wszystko co interesujące i pouczające ale dla tych, którzy dobrze radzą sobie z angielskim i jeszcze tych artykółów nie znali będzie to kolejny krok w kierunku... no właśnie wszystko się okarze.

Jeśli macie jakieś prośby co do innych rzeczy, które powinny się tu znaleźć to śmiało pisać o tym.

BIG.

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zapominasz o tym ze zawodowi kulturysci dawno zatracili "rozsadnoasc" jesli chodzi o wspomaganie.
dlatego cykl ten wyglada dla nas cokolwiek nienaturalnie ale z drugiej strony...
zreszta dalem to tylko jako dodatek w sumie dziwne ze nie przyczepiles sie do cyklu Munzera on tez jest hardcorowy, no chyba ze...nic nie powiem bo przestalem lubic sie klucic.
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