Żele spalające tłuszcz

aha jeszcze jedno.

skąd u mnie takie nastawienie ANTY do tych żeli /???

Otóż wklepując w wyszukiwarke ECA,Green tea extract,l-carinityna,synephrine,noradrenaline Itp. mam miliomny artów na temat ich działanie.Mam kilka dużych stron medycznych w "moich ulubionych" jest mnóstwo badąń nad tymi substancjami spalajacymi lub nie ( heeh lkarnityna ) tłuszcz.

Wpisujac natomiast Cutting gel,Ripped gel,Epidril, itp.......też mam mnóstwo stron ale....WSZYSTKO TO STRONY SKLEPÓW INTRNETOWYCH ALBO PRODUCENTÓW. zachwalajacych swój wyrób. Takie infa ja odsiewam od razu bo nie sa one obiektywne.Nie widzialem ani jednego badania naukowego na ten temat (oprocz tego co zapewniaja producenci) , ani jednej niezależnej wypowiedzi oprócz tych co wkleiłem powyżej.
NA kilku www medycznych też jakoś nic nie ma na temat substancji działajacych przez skóre na receptory beta (bo tak maja działac te kremy).

Szukam nadal jak znajde to moze sie nawróce


PS. Witam pierwszą .....króliczke ??? (nie wiem czy to sie odmienia heeheh)

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..zaczalem sie dokopywaćw końcu do skałdu tych kremów. Zaraz wkleje killka artó specjalnie dla Amazone

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Zmieniony przez - KAIN w dniu 2003-02-18 10:14:31

1 jeśli idzie o kofeine zawartąw kremikach

"Many natural weight loss pills contain Ephedra, an herb that contains large amounts of the alkaloid ephedrine, a molecule that stimulates nerve cells to release norepinephrine (NOR), a catecholamine hormone that stimulates the breakdown of fat during stress or exercise. The fatty acids released by the breakdown of triglycerides (lipolysis) provide energy to the body during the period of stress, regardless of the specific nature of the stress. Caffeine enhances this effect. The biochemistry is simple. NOR stimulates fat cells to increase the level of a molecule called cyclic AMP within the cells. Caffeine inhibits the activity of an enzyme that breaks down cyclic AMP. The result is a prolonged increase in cAMP and activation of lipase, a fat degrading enzyme.
The active ingredient in thigh creams is aminophylline. This molecule is similar to theophylline, a prescription drug that is used to treat asthma. Aminophylline acts like caffeine in increasing the amount of cAMP in fat cells. Aminophylline is soluble in oil, while caffeine and theophylline are only soluble in water. They cannot penetrate the skin. Herein lies the problem. Aminophylline doesn?t stimulate the breakdown of fat by itself. It can only prolong the signal initiated by another hormone, such as NOR. Virtually all weight control pills contain both ephedrine and caffeine in order to be effective. Ephedrine can't be rubbed into the skin because it is water soluble, and can?t cross the epidermis of the skin. In pill form, the ephedrine is in the form of an herb, ephedra. As discussed in other essays on this site, oral herbal products are not an optimal way to introduce medicinal compounds into the body."



"It can only prolong the signal initiated by another hormone, such as NOR. "

Czyli być może to zadziała w staku z moim kochanym ECA

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"It has been suggested that aminophylline cream, which contains a chemical to relax the bronchial airways (the passages in the lungs), has fat-wasting powers. In other words if you rub the cream on fatty areas, like the thighs, the fat will dissolve.
This idea came became popular in 1993 after researchers at a medical meeting reported that some women who used the cream to their thighs for six weeks lost over an inch of fat from their thighs.
Despite these studies many doctors remain doubtful of its values. There is no good scientific evidence that any creams or lotions can reduce fat. At this time we are still waiting for follow up studies using aminophylline with larger numbers of patients.
Creams which contain aminophylline are available but the makers do not claim that their products reduce fat. The improvement in appearance which may be seen is probably due to smoother skin and perhaps less of a "cottage cheese appearance".This may well disappear when the use of the cream is stopped. Aminopylline is not without problems and can cause irritation of the skin and nervous system stimulation.
Diet and exercise are still the best ways to lose weight. For some people localized deposits of a fat remain no matter what they do. For these people liposuction may be an alternative."

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...Jesus Christ forgave the bastards. But I can't. I hate them....

"AMINOPHYLLINE CREAM FOR FAT REDUCTION -- ASAPS POSITION
Media reports have touted the possible lipolytic (fat reducing) effect of creams containing the bronchial relaxant, aminophylline. Initial media reports were based on a study presented at a medical meeting in October 1993 which reported on the results of 12 women who applied the cream to their thighs five times per week for six weeks. Researchers said that, among the 11 women who completed the study, the average fat loss from the thigh area by the end of the test period was 1/2 to 1 1/2 inches. However, the effectiveness of aminophylline cream for fat reduction is far from being scientifically proven.
The small number of subjects participating in the study suggests that further research must be conducted to validate the results. In addition, possible side effects of topical application of aminophylline, which is a drug known to stimulate the central nervous system, must be studied. Some patients may also experience skin irritation requiring discontinuation of treatment.
Companies that are currently marketing creams containing aminophylline have been careful not to make claims that their products will reduce fat. Improvement in the overall appearance of treated areas could be limited to enhanced smoothness and suppleness, which may disappear when daily application of the cream is discontinued.
At the present time, there is no scientific evidence that any topically applied creams or lotions can either temporarily or permanently reduce fat. In fact, double-blind studies have been done which show no significant improvement from this treatment. Proper diet and exercise are still the most effective ways to achieve fat reduction. Liposuction is often the best and most permanent treatment for localized fatty deposits.
Introduced in the United States in 1982, liposuction removes fat that has been dislodged by the surgeon, using a suction cannula attached to a vacuum device, from the legs, buttocks, abdomen, back, arms, face and neck. The increasing popularity of liposuction is due to the simplicity of the technique. In the hands of a board-certified plastic surgeon, the procedure may leave only small scars, often less than 1/2 inch. For optimal results from liposuction, the patient should be near his or her average weight with extra fat localized in specific areas. It is also important that the patient's skin is elastic with the capacity to shrink evenly after surgery. Liposuction in the more superficial layer of fat can still be performed on selected patients having decreased skin tone. They may also need surgical skin excision for optimal results."

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"*The University of California at Berkeley Wellness Letter, June 1994
Most people know there is no way to lose fat without dieting and exercising. But a new "miracle" product has caught the attention of even confirmed skeptics: a fat-dissolving cream. It was developed and patented by Drs. George Bray and Frank Greenway, noted researchers in
the obesity field, whose academic credentials include Stanford, UCLA Medical Center, and the Pennington Biomedical Research Center in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. The cream--actually there are several competing products, with names such as Smooth Contours, Thermojetics, and Skinny
Dip--isn't being marketed as a fat reducer, but as a "thigh smoother,"in order to avoid potentially embarrassing confrontations with the FDA. It is considered a cosmetic, since its label makes no explicit health claims. But both buyer and seller know that the cream is supposed to reduce fat.
The cream contains aminophylline, a prescription drug for asthma when taken internally. The patent, held by Drs. Bray and Greenway, describes the "invention" as a means for spot reducing within a weight-loss program. As evidence that it would work as such, the patent cites an experiment with five obese women who were following a drastic diet (1,200 calories a day). However, this study tells nothing about aminophylline cream, since it used a different drug, which was injected into the women's thighs. And the results were hardly impressive, anyway.
According to Dr. Bruce Frome, who is involved in licensing the creams, women have high levels of a fat-conserving enzyme in their thighs and breasts, and aminophylline blocks this enzyme. Dr. Frome has licensed the product to three companies. One of these is Herbalife, which has been charged with making fraudulent claims for other products in the U.S. and Canada. But now still other companies are marketing "thigh creams" containing aminophylline and/or similar substances.
Aminophylline has been studied as a fat reducer--though, in studies published so far, only as an injection given to lab animals. There's no evidence that it would work as a cream applied to the skin of humans. Just as their product went to market, Drs. Bray and Greenway announced that 11 women who rubbed their thighs with a cream containing 2% aminophylline for six weeks reduced their thigh circumference by about 1/2 inch. A summary of the study appeared in Obesity Research last fall, but the full study has never been released.
According to Dr. C. Wayne Callaway at George Washington University, the theory of how aminophylline works might be reasonable, but nobody really knows what the drug will do when applied topically. The Bray and Greenway study, which is very small, can't be evaluated until it is
published. ``It's a shame it's out there," says Dr. Callaway of the product. No one knows how much of the drug, if any, might be absorbed through the skin. The published summary says none of it could be detected in the women's blood, so perhaps none was absorbed. One further catch: most creams on the market contain much less aminophylline than that used in the study.
The creams cost $30 to $40 for 4 ounces--about a two-week supply if you apply a teaspoonful daily to each thigh, as directed. Presumably, you'd have to use the stuff forever, or fat would build up again. Even if it works just the way Drs. Bray and Greenway claim, a reduction of half an inch is hardly going to make a person look willowy. And nobody knows if the cream is safe. If you want to reduce your thighs, forget about spot reducing, and simply try to lose weight with regular exercise and a sensible caloric intake. "

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a to ze strony typowo o fitnesie dla kobiet.

"The most popular ingredient in cellulite creams is aminophylline (sometimes its chemical cousins, caffeine or theophylline, are used). Aminophylline's claim to fame is that it can make fat cells smaller. This is true "in vitro" or in a laboratory Petri dish where you can literally see fat cells shrink, but not quite true "in vivo" or in real life when applied to a woman's thigh. The reason is aminophylline is absorbed by the dermis, the second layer of the skin, before it reaches the "cellulite zone," the superficial or first fat layer (the second fat layer is called the deep layer, which is where liposuction is done). Aminophylline can be injected directly into the superficial fat layer but you would need an awful lot of injections since cellulite is spread out over a large area. So, while theoretically possible, injection is definitely not a practical idea.
"Transdermal" fat gels, which also contain aminophylline or a similar substance, claim to have overcome the dermis problem. Manufacturers also say their products are good for spot reduction of fat in other parts of the body aside from cellulite-prone areas. However, there is no solid scientific proof yet that their formulation can really go under the dermis to attack the fat cells below. Interestingly, instructions usually include the advice to diet and exercise because "you have to help burn that released fat by exercising or reducing caloric intake so that free fat isn't redeposited." Under those conditions, it would be difficult to determine if the product really works or not.
Another point to consider is that if transdermal gels really have a significant effect on subcutaneous fat, they would be classified as drugs and would require a prescription, according to regulations of the United States Food and Drug Administration.
Some promising cellulite creams are those containing retinol, the most active form of Vitamin A. Retinol is a common ingredient in anti-wrinkle creams for the face. It has a proven track record for improving skin thickness and elasticity by working on the collagen and elastin in the dermis. In a recent study done on 15 women, a retinol cream was applied to one leg for six months, while a cream without retinol was used on the other leg. This was a double-blind study, meaning neither the researchers nor the participants knew which leg had which cream. The results showed that skin elasticity improved by 10 percent and the skin on the retinol-treated leg appeared smoother.
Another ingredient that is being studied is ruscogenine, a substance derived from the herb butcher's broom. A study of 46 women showed an improvement in the orange-peel appearance of the skin. However, since the product being tested contained retinol and caffeine as well as ruscogenine, more studies are needed to provide definite answers. "

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"NEWS
Embargoed until noon
Thursday, June 3
June 1, 1999 ? No.367

 
Summer swimsuit research flash: thigh-reducing creams don?t work
By DAVID WILLIAMSON
UNC-CH News Services
(Embargoed) CHAPEL HILL ? So-called "thigh-reducing" creams, marketed to overweight women and normal-weight women who believe their thighs are too large have no positive physical effect beyond moisturizing.
That?s the conclusion researchers drew after measuring the thighs of volunteers who applied the creams for six weeks in the first well-controlled scientific study of the products.
The study, presented Thursday (June 3) at the American College of Sports Medicine?s annual conference in Seattle, showed no significant difference between upper-leg circumference when women rubbed the creams on one thigh every day and a lotion not touted as fat-reducing on the other.
"Manufacturers of these creams rake in the bucks for a product that doesn?t work," said Dr. Bonita Marks, assistant professor of physical education, exercise and sport science at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. "They feed on unfounded, poor self-images many women have of their bodies."
Others involved in the research were Drs. Jerome Haky of Florida Atlantic University and Laurence Katz, assistant professor of emergency medicine at the UNC-CH School of Medicine.
Because of the time required to process each volunteer daily, researchers concentrated on only 11 women, all students at UNC-CH or Florida Atlantic University. The women, who ranged in age from 18 to 35, applied "thigh-reducing" cream to one leg for six weeks and an inactive product to the other. They were asked not to change their routines by dieting or exercising more during the study than before. Neither scientists nor subjects knew which leg got what until the end of the project.
"I was amazed at the types of women responding to participate," Marks said. "They were not the ones we would think might need it, but rather they were mostly young, normal-weight women."
Researchers used special equipment to measure each volunteer?s thighs near the knee, at mid-thigh and near the hip at the beginning and end of the six weeks. They also had the women fill out questionnaires about their perceptions.
"Not only did we find no difference in each volunteer?s thighs at the end, but the volunteers themselves said they could see and feel no difference either," Marks said. "They said both products worked well as moisturizers, and surprisingly, they seemed to be less negative about their thighs at the end of the study. We don?t know why."
The supposed active ingredient in "thigh-reducing" creams is aminophylline, a bronchorelaxant used to treat asthma, she said. In the laboratory, it was found to dissolve some fat cells, and so manufacturers began putting it in creams. They assumed it might have a similar effect on what some people have called "cellulite," or dimpled fat on the body, and an earlier study supported that notion.
But during the previous research, the women, who were obese, also dieted and exercised. Marks and colleagues repeated those experiments without the diet and exercise and added psychological assessments. One of their findings, published separately in February in the International Journal of Obesity, was that aminophylline did not enter the blood stream and thus had no positive or negative effects on the heart or lungs. In other words, it may not work, but at least it won?t hurt when used moderately.
"It?s interesting the way the cosmetics industry gets around FDA regulations for marketing the creams and how close they come to fraudulent advertising without actually breaking any advertising claim rules," Marks said. "This stuff can cost as much as $30 a bottle, while the average moisturizing cream costs about $3."
In their advertising and packaging, the industry uses glowing testimonials from "satisfied" customers and says the creams work better if one also diets and exercises.
A foundation grant from Florida Atlantic University to Marks and a Petroleum Research Fund grant administered by the American Chemical Society to Haky paid for the study.
Other research on aminophylline and its potential to reduce fat by increasing metabolism showed it was not effective enough in humans to continue studying, Marks said. "

"Strong coffee, much strong coffee, is what awakens me. Coffee gives me warmth, waking, an unusual force and a pain that is not without very great pleasure."

...Jesus Christ forgave the bastards. But I can't. I hate them....

Kain, wez pod uwagę że częsc żeli działa w oparciu o podawany transdermalnie DHEA, czyli nieco inaczej niż podaja Twoje powyższe przykłady.

Pozdrawiam,
Tyka
- "Jesteśmy gotowi na ten rodzaj niebezpieczeństwa, któremu możemy stawić czoła z bezpiecznej odległości." -

Tyka eheh z takimi sie nie spotkałem Daj jakiegoś linka to sie zaraz zorientuje co i jak
Informacji nigdy za wiele..

"Strong coffee, much strong coffee, is what awakens me. Coffee gives me warmth, waking, an unusual force and a pain that is not without very great pleasure."

...Jesus Christ forgave the bastards. But I can't. I hate them....