Suple do PCT :-)

No co Ty ja bym kupe zjadl jakbym po niej urósl
Ok dzieki kupiem sojavitka

rozumiem ze to po tabletkach?

LiverX z MrM
Acetosteron z Olimp'a
Witamina C 2g
IDEALNE bylo by 7-keto-DHEA.

tak czy siak ja jestem zdania ze nawet po 2 tygodniowym cyklu 2 tygodnie tamoksyfenu 20mg/ed to MUST!!!
klomifen i hcg mozesz sobie odpuscic.

i ciekawy reading 4 ya

New Approaches to PCT
by Victor Lasato


Part I: Supplementation


[Fast-forward to Labor-Day weekend, 2004] Summer’s come to its unofficial close, along with your kick-ass cycle. You cut-up all spring, and worked tirelessly all summer to hold onto those striations, razor cuts, and garden-hose veins running throughout your physique. The end result was worth every forgone slice of pizza, every ultra-light beer choked down, and every plate of cheese-fries passed up. But you’re wary of the weeks to come. The inevitable post-cycle crash is on its way; hormonal surges and famines bound to wreck your physique, tear down your androgen-enhanced ego, and drain both mind and body of energy. But it doesn’t have to go down like that… The post-cycle crash can be defeated from every angle, if properly attacked with an arsenal of over-the-counter, ergogenic, reparative, and nootropic compounds. Sure, it’s only July, but you need to start laying out your battle plan.

Old-school approaches to post-cycle therapy (PCT) have been somewhat successful in restoring hormone levels and keeping gains made during cycles. Such drug therapy often includes Clomid, Nolvadex, and human chorionic-gonadotropin (HCG), in addition to various supplements. However physicians are reluctant to prescribe such drugs for PCT, as the drugs are only FDA approved for treating breast cancer, or as fertility medications. Using such medications for other purposes often requires one to illegally obtain the drugs, or purchase medications of unknown quality and purity, often deemed “research chemicals.”

In addition, traditional PCT methods are often met with limited success. The reason for this limited success is that there is much more to PCT than lowering cortisol, restoring testosterone production, and retaining muscle. A comprehensive and calculated approach to PCT would address each bodily function that was altered during the course of a cycle. While diet and training are of equal importance to supplementation, all three cannot be adequately addressed in one article. This article will focus on new supplementation strategies for PCT that go beyond the traditional, “two weeks of Clomid and a boat-load of creatine” approach.



The Holy Trinity


The first step in this approach is to design a supplement regimen geared towards restoring compromised hormonal function in respect to estrogen, testosterone, and cortisol levels. These three present the “holy trinity” of PCT hormones. In terms of addressing all three in one shot, there are a few good products on the market. The one I’ve used myself with great results is Black Star Labs’ “PaCT” which contains both androstenetrione and 7-OXO-DHEA, thus addressing regulation of all three hormones in one product. And, the utilization of a transdermal product allows for greater absorption of the active compounds. Dermabolics makes a similar product, “Metacourt,” which should produce equal results. Speaking from my own experience, PaCT works quickly and is highly effective. To view my own and others’ feedback on PaCT, click here.

In addition to transdermal products that are hormones in their own right, a few herbal products are also effective for balancing hormones. With a pro-hormone ban on the horizon, the two above-mentioned products may not be around (legally) much longer. The Cordyceps mushroom is a longstanding herbal remedy used in Eastern medicines to treat sexual dysfunction. Recently, it has also been shown to raise test production in vivo in mice (1), and also increased forced swimming capacity, also in mice (2). You may be thinking, “I’m not a mouse.” And, you’re right. But given this supplement’s history for treating sexual dysfunction, in addition to recent studies that also show Cordyceps to have liver-protecting and blood sugar regulating qualities (3,4), it’s probably a good idea to use it all the time, using slightly more during PCT. Like all herbal medicine, quality is more important than quantity. As different products vary in potency, following label recommendations will give a good dosing parameter.

Phosphatidylserine (PS) is a phospholipid that actually has been used for years in the traditional PCT arsenal. However, PS is much cheaper now, and more easily available thanks to the many bulk-products distributors. Without getting into too much detail, PS offers many benefits during PCT, including lowering elevated cortisol levels, improving mood (which IMO is very important post-cycle), and preventing over-training. For a more detailed look into this compound, I highly recommend David Tolson’s article “Phosphatidylserine Science.” A good starting point for PS is 800-1000mg/day, split pre and post-workout.

The main purpose of re-balancing the “holy trinity” of steroid hormones is to keep muscle gains; restoring/maintaining sex drive is unfortunately of secondary concern to many athletes. As a final note to this end, I feel obligated to address the use of “testosterone boosters.” There are myriad products on the market that claim to restore compromised test output, either from the natural decline of aging, or from exogenous androgen use.

While some of these products like Avena sativa (wild oats extract) and Tribulus terrestris have a fair amount of both research and real-world experience at raising luteinizing hormone (LH) output, and thus restoring the Hypothalamus-Pituitary-Testicular-Axis (HPTA) (5,6), many are overpriced, ineffective, or both. In addition to increasing LH, Avena sativa has also been shown to increase insulin sensitivity and help regulate blood sugar levels, which would be especially useful to inhibit post-cycle fat gain (7). However, given all the available research with these two herbs, their positive effects on test production and sex drive seem to be limited to people with impaired function in the first place. The lesson here is that if you decide to use any of the “test booster” products on the market, their use should be limited to the two to four weeks immediately post cycle.



Stayin Swollen: Cell Volumizers


One's PCT supplement arsenal will also include cell-volumizers. Many of you already have your favorites out of the dozen or so "creatine cocktail" cell-volumizer products on the market. Having only tried one of these products, I cannot speak for them all. However the one I tried, "Metabolic Pump" by MRM, did what it was supposed to, and would be a good addition to a PCT program. My personal favorite cell-volumizing stack, partly because it's the cheapest and mostly because it's the most effective, is microionized creatine, and agrinine alpha-keto-glutarate (AAKG) I use the Now Foods brand, as I see no point in spending three times as much on another brand name that has to pay off all its endorsement contracts.

One thing to note about using creatine post-cycle: kre-alkalyn, or other low-dose creatine products may not be as effective during PCT as good ole' creatine monohydrate. The reason being is that the newer products don't seem to cause as much inter-cellular water retention and bloating, which, post-cycle, is desirable in order to keep the most muscle possible. The best approach seems to be creatine at 20g/day for one week, 10 g for three weeks, along with 6-12g/day of AAKG in three divided doses.

L-Taurine is also a relatively inexpensive cell-volumizer that seems to work synergistically with AAKG and creatine at 5g pre-workout and 5g post-workout. While there's a seemingly ongoing debate regarding l-glutamine supplementation, I believe as do many others that it's extremely helpful for both rebuilding muscle and cell-volumization. Optimal dosage is 10-15 g/day, spaced out in 5g servings.



Post-Cycle Heart, Liver & Kidney Health


First and foremost, post-cycle blood work is imperative. If you don¡¦t have health insurance, most cities have low-cost clinics. Depending on the duration, dosage, and compounds used during a cycle, you may wind up coming back perfectly healthy, or thinking you got the results from a seventy year-old alcoholic with diabetes. A common flaw among post-cycle athletes is the mentality that, "cycle's over, now I can go out drinking, partying, and eating garbage." Such is not the case.

In fact, PCT is the most imperative time to baby your body by restoring liver and kidney function and rebalancing blood lipids. Silymarin (from milk thistle) at 500mg/day, along with n-acetyl-cystine (NAC) at 1500mg-2500mg/day is a good starting point towards liver and kidney repair. NAC has been shown to prevent hepatoxicity, and seems to work by preventing oxidative-stress produced from some drugs, which would also improve kidney function (8). A variety of other compounds have long-standing traditional uses for kidney and liver health, however Silymarin and NAC have been proven to this end both in the lab and in the real world.

Many supplements are readily available for lowering blood lipids and general heart health. Essential Fatty Acid (EFA) blends, that contain a broad spectrum of EFAs from a variety of fat sources are the best choice, and should be used at 8-16g/day. However at that dosage, Costco's brand fish-oil capsules would be a better choice for those on a budget. Keep in mind that cheaper, inferior EFA capsules often contain a high percentage of saturated fats.

Niacin is also highly effective at lowering cholesterol levels, however many people "can't stand the heat" so to speak, as at the proper dosages Niacin causes itching and flushing. If you can tolerate the side effects (they usually subside after a week or two), 100mg up to 5 times/day has been proven effective at improving all aspects of blood lipids (9). Fast-release niacin is a better choice for PCT, as sustained release "no-flush" niacin has been shown to cause hepatoxicity to varying degrees when used to reduce cholesterol (9).



Feed Your Head


For some insane reason, the psychological aspects of PCT have been overlooked and ignored since the genesis of pharmaceutical enhancement. Depression, anxiety, lack of motivation and lethargy are all common post-cycle. All these symptoms are also temporary, and often confused with clinical depression that requires medication. For those that choose to take the road less traveled and forego the pharmaceutical route, OTC options abound. For depression, 5-HTP (200-300mg/day) is often very effective on its own. For anxiety, or depression with anxiety, phenibut at a moderate dose (I’m not going there… too much discrepancy) and l-theanine at 200mg doses spaced throughout the day, or 600-800mg at bedtime is also a proven remedy.

For addressing the lack of energy, the tried and true E/C/A stack is one choice, but best used in moderation, and pre-workout only. Black Star Lab’s GO is an excellent, albeit expensive product to use daily for both a physical and mental boost. The truth is that if psychological issues plague you beyond the help of these recommendations, there is a vast store of knowledge on smart-drugs and nutraceuticals for treating anxiety, depression, and lack of energy. A good place to start your search is here, on the “Main” Avant Labs forum.




Putting it all Together


There are a few points that need to be addressed before putting this program into action. First and most importantly is the timing. Depending on the specific compounds used during a cycle, certain aspects of PCT need to be enacted at different times. For oral cycles, PCT should begin the day after the last dose. For transdermals, PCT should begin two or three days after the last application at the latest, but it couldn’t hurt to start sooner. For longer-acting esters, such as cypionates, wait a week after the last dose.

The “holy trinity” hormones need to be addressed first. Cortisol-lowering agents should be applied during the last two weeks of a cycle, as cortisol levels will be very elevated during this time, and it’s generally a good idea to start bringing those levels down as soon as possible. Heart, liver, and kidney health should be addressed during the cycle as well as in PCT, so continuing on your current course, or even increasing supplementation during the last week of the cycle is advisable.

Cell-volumizers should be started shortly after the cycle, just as blood-androgen levels and strength begin to drop. Finally, psychological supplementation should be addressed on an as-needed basis, as the compounds discussed in this article are relatively fast-acting. Dosage recommendations were given based on a 200 lb, intermediate to advanced male bodybuilder. Where dosage recommendations were not given, it was for liability reasons, or due to highly varying potencies of different products. Given size, experience, and drug-sensitivity differences, clearly doses will need adjusting.

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niezłe poświęcenie

???

btw topic prosze przeniesc do dopingu (kogokolwiek z modów) Grysika nie ma.

to było do Alq'a

Om rzuć okiem na mój post - będe dźwięczny

looknalem, niewiele moge dodac, jest ok powodzenia

zwykla DHEA tez mozi byc? Bo czytalem ze tylko na old-bojów dziala (powyzej 40years old).
A to niekoniecznie po tabsach, nie chodzi mi o leczenie watroby tylko hormonki.
Tak czy siak sog dla om.

zwyklego nie polecam...

imo nie widze sensu przenoszenia do dopingu...

DHEA tylko dla osob po 35 roku zycia. Pamietaj tez o oleju lnianym lub innym nienasyconym roslinnym, olej wzmaga produkcje tescia. mozesz zarzucic AOL jak masz kase, ale jesli nie to zbedne. Aha no i Acetosteron jest o niebo lepszy od TT + Zma i Alc, wyjdzie taniej i daje lepsze efekty, ma to zwiazek z zachowaniem sie tribuluska. A tak na marginesie to hormony wroca do normy "same" po 3 miesiacach.