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Animal's diet From: Animal On: 10/20/98 Subject: 5-6 MEALS A DAY MAKES YOU FAT!!!!!! How 5-6 meals a day makes you fat! That's right, and you Read it here first. They make you fat. After I proved the farce of the ketogenic diets I began to think, 'What type of diet was I on that made me the leanest and put on the most mass!' Then one of the ketogenic diets authors sent me a nasty email which said, 'What diet won't shut down your thyroid, genius.' Well, if nothing else, he was at least smart enough to realize that those almighty diets do shut down your thyroid. I felt pity for him because it was sad how he was still clinging to dreams of ketosis even though he had been scammed. But realized there was hope for him when he called me 'genius'! He still had the power of rational thinking left and I'd be damned if I didn't help this poor soul. Hmmm. What diets don't shut down your thyroid? First, what do we know about how the thyroid shuts down when dieting? There are 3 ways; lack of carbohydrate, heat (DNP and external) and DNP binding to T4 protein and excreting it which is actually good, but that is another story. We aren't going to take DNP so those two are out and we are left with lack of carbohydrates. We are also not going to take CLA or pyruvate so we are left with a pure diet with no catches. How can we keep the carbs going. We all know of one diet that won't shut things down and that is the 'Up and down' type diet. We eat normal one day and lower our calories the next an repeat. This maintains all the hormones, but could take quite a long time. We need a faster and possibly simpler way. Why not eat 5-6 small meals a day? Because it makes you fat! Now we are going to use the ketogenic authors arguments against them. Insulin does what? It drives glucose and needed nutrients into the cells, including fat cells, AND it stops lipolysis!!!! It stops lipolysis!!!!! If I am eating 5-6 times a day I am going to be stopping lipolysis every single time I eat again because I will get an insulin rise which, can you all say it? Stops lipolysis!! You cannot burn fat if you are eating all day! Now, I am back to thinking about when I was the leanest. About 5 years ago when I was finishing college, but why? Because I only ate 1-2 meals a day! That's right and when you see the logic you will see the light always and realize that another scam has been perpetuated upon all of us in order to cell meal replacements. When did all this 5-6 meals a day really start to hit. When those meal replacements became all the rage. Throw them out because you don't need them anymore!! We will start our diet in the morning. The night before we replenished all our carbs before going to sleep. It is morning and we wake up and our body is in what mode? Fat burning mode!!! The first thing you usually learn is that if you want to burn the most fat off with aerobics you do it in the morning before you eat. Since we are in fat burning mode why would we want to ruin it with food that would raise insulin? And for what? What exercise are you going to do which you are going to need all that energy for? Remember you are fully carbed from last night. If you are fully carbed up and you eat carbohydrates then where are the carbs going? They can't go to muscle so they are going to FAT! Your morning meal makes you fatter!! So what do we do? You most likely are going to sit in a car and go sit in an office for 8 hours or so. The only thing, which needs sugar, is your brain and it doesn't need much. To keep in and enhance the fat burning you are going to drink coffee and take an ephedrine or PPA and add some yohimbine. The coffee suppresses blood sugar and the E and Y and PPA cause a release of noradrenaline which is a potent fat burning hormone. If you get hungry you can have a protein drink, but no sugar. Fructose goes to fat automatically and the protein keeps the glucagon level up which is another fat burner. You don't want too much protein, though or that can go to sugar, which is going to go to fat, as well. What do I do for lunch? You want to stay in fat burning mode right? First let's look at what others recommend. Eat your largest meal at lunch! Absolutely and totally wrong. What happens about an hour later. You are so tired from the insulin that you can hardly think and it takes all you can do to stay awake. Not only that, but all the carbs you ate are going to fat! What did you do to deplete the liver or muscle of carbs from the morning until now? NOTHING. You sat at your desk and maybe walked across the street to buy lunch. Your muscles need nothing so it all goes to fat and you ruined your fat burning as well with the insulin from the meal. You eat a light low glycemic high fat meal, like a salad for lunch and have some more ECY and maybe another protein drink. 2 hours - 45 minutes before you are going to work out you eat a low glycemic meal like oatmeal or an apple. This is scientifically proven to improve performance and will help you burn more fat. You workout and then you get to eat! Your muscles are primed for growth and now you want the insulin to be spiked so you get more glucose and AA's into them. We also know that most if not all of the recovery substrates need to be supplied to the muscle in a two hour window and then again before 6 hours. Immediately after your workout you consume up to 400 calories in a glucose/protein drink. 2 hours later you hit the damaged muscle again with your regular meal. Your muscles are now loaded with glucose and protein and they are waiting for you to take some ghb and go to bed so they can get some GH. That's it!. No BS. No pain. Look at it again. You are all carbed up. In the morning you are in or near ketosis and you want to keep it there. Eating would ruin it so you don't eat and besides, the insulin and carbs from the meal have nowhere to go so any calories would just go to fat. You don't do anything strenuous in the morning so you don't eat a high carb lunch, which keeps you in ketosis. Eat a low glycemic meal 45 minutes before your workout. The time to eat and recover is AFTER you have worked out and that is when and how you do it. Simple carbs and protein and then your meal. Sleep. No expensive powders or pills or special foods. Can't get much simpler. This is now copyrighted material and I am serving notice that this cannot be reprinted, or posted, without my permission. Do it and I sue ya! There are supplements and steps to follow to get the most out of your thyroid and liver, but that will be later. If you have something to say about this being wrong then get some science to prove it or shut up. Just as I had science to expose the fallacies of ketogenic diets, I also have all the science to back this up. Anarchy in the USA! From: Animal Subject: A quick review

Hadn't felt like posting to this because all the info is out there somewhere, but I just threw this out on another board so I copied it over. The important to remember is that your post workout meal is the most important!EOD. Once you have recarbed your muscles and liver and subsequent carb intake is going to go to fat. Another way to look at this is as such; The liver holds around 400 cal in carbs and the muscles hold another 1600. If you are not working out on a particular day you need to not recarb the muscles because if they aren't doing anything they aren't using energy. You do, however, need to keep the liver carbed to continue conversion of t4-t3 unless of course you are on pyruvate/glycerin/taurine/phospates or some combination thereof. Take in only 400-500g of carbs and especially fructose in the morning because it has a much better affinity for the liver recarb. On you workout days you need the fructose in the morning still at about 200 cal. Now the most important time is after your workout and you take in 1g carbs for every kilo of your bodyweight. YOu can repeat that again in an hour or two and remember to add 1g of protein for every 2.5g of carbs. If you weigh 100K you take in 100g carbs and 25g protein immediately after or even during your cool down. During the cooldown in even more important because you are suppressing insulin rise since you are riding a bike AND you are using passive uptake AND you are increasing circulation which helps the muscles get more blood and nutrients to them. You need to ride for 10 minutes or so at an easy pace. Remember too, that if all you are working is bi's and tri's you sure as hell ain't gonna need as much carbs as you would on chest and back. Additionally, legs will probably need slightly more. That is 'Animalobolics' in a nutshell.

Subject: ANIMAL ANSWER'S QUESTIONS ON DIET!!!!

This on requires a little explaination. After Animal posted his diet, for some reason people emailed ME!! a ton of questions about it. I then sent Animal a MOST FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS EMAIL, and this is his response. Enjoy>>>> For one, I am glad they are asking you because I know I couldn't handle the email! Hey, maybe I will make you president of Animalobolics a subsidiary of Animals Anarchy Solutions! Read my new post on Anitest. 1. I understand that you eat nothing when you wake up, and I should avoid any foods that will cause an insulin spike throughout the day. Does this mean I can have my Whey and Flax shakes since they are basically carb free? Yes! or something like bacon and eggs. I haven't come out and dead to rights recommended the protein powder and flax oil because the glycine and BCAA's in there 'could' give an insulin rise, but I think it is insufficient to cause problems. 2. After training I should eat my carbs and protein. Just how much should I be eating? Yes! You do the carbs (glucose) and protein immediately after your workout and then you eat a regular meal and hour or 2 later. 3. What do I do on non-lifting days? Eat less? I haven't decided on or thought this out to a great extent, but you could use the same method as the regular day and just drop those high glycemic carbs before your evening meal. That will put you at an automatic calorie loss for that day! You won't notice those missing carbs because you are eating in place of working out. Or if you are trying to gain mass you could substitute those calories that on the back end of your dinner with a desert. You, however, want to keep the meal low glycemic as we don't need the big insulin spike that we did after the workout. The other solution is to eat normally throughout the day if you are trying to gain weight. This will give you several insulin rises which 'may' make you a bit more anabolic. I waver on this a bit because I am not convinced that the muscles will need anything more because we have supplied them with everything they needed the night before in the 2-6 hour window. If you are trying to grow, it might help somewhat, nevertheless. 4. Is there anything special dietary wise I should do after cardio sessions? Is this another time I could have carbs? If you are doing it to lose weight, yes, you would still want it to replace the lost glycogen, but you may want to put some flaxoil in that drink or use a lower glycemic post workout drink. You don't want to skip it as we know that at over 10% fat in our diet, those carbs are not going to turn into fat, but are going to be used to replace glycogen. 5. You mentioned CLA, Pyruvate, Ephedrine and Caffiene. Could you give your reccomendations on these drugs. Eph and caffeine in am. Without the aspirin the ephedrine won't last as long so you just take more. You may increase you dosing frequency 1-2 more times a day. So if you were taking it 3 times a day you now take it 4-5 times a day. You DON'T increase the caffeine intake. You also DON'T want to take caffeine within four hours of your workout as that inhibits glucose release from glycogen. Most of you don't notice it, but for people that are sensitive like me and Crash, caffeine can make us hypoglycaemic and we want to go to sleep after a cup of coffee! Because it shifts you body to fat burning. Now if you are doing just cardio you would want to do the caffeine a little closer, like an hour, before your workout and then you would burn MORE fat because you are shifted over! Pyruvate will enhance fat loss via it's mechanisms and it should also enable you to think better because the brain prefers pyruvate to glucose as an energy source! Bet you didn't pay attention to that when I posted it?! I like 6 grams a day. Because I have not done CLA long enough I don't think I can endorse it, but I notice that it has blunted my appetite and I am sleeping better on less sleep. Who knows, but I wake up after 5 hours and feel like I did 10. I stopped taking the pyruvate 1 day after I started taking the CLA. On that day that they were mixed I thought I was hotter than usual. It may be possible that they have a synergistic effect, but that is just speculation and one day only gives me a source for another hypothesis: If CLA workd will CLA and pyruvate be synergestic? 6. What about using Glucose disposal agents to ensure glycogen storage? Any thoughts? That's another one that I have questions about. Why are you going to do them? If you are doing them to keep the insulin from getting so high and/or staying so high to get you back into fat burning mode I would say yes. If you are using them to just get more nutrients to the muscle I would say, 'maybe no'. Why? Because I haven't looked into any evidence that force glucose into muscle with any more preference than fat. I never paid attention to those studies, because I just assumed it was so, but with the action of insulin on fat cells I question that usage for it. I know of no reason offhand as to why a disposal agent would prefer an insulin receptor on a muscle cell over a fat cell. Nevertheless, if you are using it for reason #1, then go ahead. 7. Anyother tips or tricks you could include? That should do it and thanks. I have trouble making things understandable for people and unless I get questions from people like you I don't see why the don't understand the science and just do it. My wife thinks I am anti- social, but what am I gonna talk to people about? Let's see, I'll tell you about chemical extractions and actions and the mechanisms of DNP and then I'll explain to you the right way to diet via the actions of insulin and its regulation on lipogenesis! Yea, right? Oh, BTW, this consultation will cost you $100! Thanks ANIMALOBOLICS IN THE USA!!!!
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heheh wiesz ale nieche mnie sie nad tym zastanawiac ak masz po PL to bede wdzieczny :)

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Radzę wszystkim przeczytać ten artukuł bo naprawdę dużo w nosi. Ja jestem w trakcie.

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Szczerze mówiąc na maxa mi się go niechce czytać, więc jak ktoś już skończył to może go streści :).

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cholera staram sie to zrozumiec ale ni w zab nie kumam. gosciu pisze kiedy nie jesc ale ja nie moge sie doszukac kiedy jesc=). Moglby to ktos przetlumaczyc porzadnie.

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W ogromnym skrucie chodzi m.in o to, ze:
Jedząc 5-6 posiłków dziennie, ani na chwilę nie wpadamy w katabolizm, więc nie jest możliwe spalenie tłuszczu... bo tylko dostarczamy plaiwa...

Jak wstajemy rano to nasz jest albo prawie jest w stanie katabolizmu i spala tłuszcz...
Więc co robimy ? aeroby na pusty żołądem (to wszyscy wiedzą)
Chodzi o to, żeby rano nic nie jeść bo to zakończy katabolizm, a razem z nim "fat burning mode" . Aha tam było, że wieczorem jadł węglowodany. (ale to później) Więc rano jesteśmy nimi naładowani, ale tylko mózg nasz jest głodny i czeka na glukozę. Aby jeszcze bardziej zwiększyc spalanie tłuszczy można łyknąć kawę i wziąć efedryne (...).
" To keep in and enhance the fat burning you are going to drink coffee and take an ephedrine or PPA and add some yohimbine. The coffee suppresses blood sugar and the E and Y and PPA cause a release of noradrenaline which is a potent fat burning hormone. "

Jak się zgłodnieje można zjeść posiłek składający się z białka, ale nie z cukrów. Ale nie można z białkiem przesadzić, bo przekształci się w cukier, a ten zaś w tłuszcz.
2 godziny - 45 min przed treningiem można (trzeba) zjeść posiłek o niskim indeksie glikemicznym np. płatki owsiane lub jabłko...
"This is scientifically proven to improve performance and will help you burn more fat"
Po treningu standardowo - węgl. proste, białko, a 2 godziny później zwyczajny posiłek. I tu jakoś u autora tego textu czas regularnego pisłku pokrywał się mniej więcej (+/-2 godziny) z pójściem spać.

To jest bardzo skrótowo przedstawiona pierwsza część artukułu... Polecam zapoznanie się z wersją oryginalną, gdyz jest naprawde ciekawa. Nic nie pisałem o skokach insulinowych o których jest mowa w artykule...
Drugiej części za bardzo nie analizowałem bo nie miałem czasu.
Pojawia się problem jak jeść w dni bez treningu, czy jeść mniej,


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białko może przeksztalcic się w tłuszcz???????

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Wiekszosc osob sadzi ze bialko nie przeksztalca sie w tluszcz,jak masz jego nadmiar czestsze wizyty w WC i tyle.

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I ta dieta dla pan no moze,ale 3 posilki predzej zwolnia nasz metabolizm a 5-6 posilkow czyli czesciej ale w malych ilosciach tylko przyspiesza nasz metabolizm i taka jest prawda.
I z rana najwazniejszy posilek powinien zawierac bb jak i ww.

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